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Hello GMATNinja and @e-gmat

If the verb in both these options was 'attest', then which option would be correct?

(B) waterlogged latex balls found at El Manati and the painting of representations of ballplayers on ceramics found at San Lorenzo attests
(C) waterlogged latex balls found at El Manati and ceramics painted with representations of ballplayers found at San Lorenzo attests


Both would be correct - the meaning implied in the first case would be that the "painting" attests and in the second would be that the "ceramics" attest. Both these meanings make sense.

Note: The hypothetical subjunctive of verb "to be" is "were", NOT "was". Thus your sentence should be: If the verb in both these options was WERE 'attest'....

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Gmat is a test for managers (or future managers), in which you have to use logic and leverage your time at the best and in the most efficient way.

Conclusion: why you must spend millions of years to eviscerate a question, in which using the split singular/plural you boil down the answer choices between A and E, and as a consequence E is really bad, and from this A is the best. All this process in 25 seconds and move one the next question and level of difficulty...

This is the meaning of the test indeed. Keep in mind.

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Hi,

Could you please explain what is wrong with E?
findings can attest if the balls can since both are inanimate..."E" is pefectly grammatical.

Since its OG ques I am definitely missing something. Kindly throw some light on what I am mis-interpreting.

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Question No.: 799

While most of the earliest known ball courts in Mesoamerica date to 900–400 b.c., waterlogged latex balls found at El Manati and representations of ballplayers painted on ceramics found at San Lorenzo attest to the fact that the Mesoamerican ballgame was well established by the mid-thirteenth century b.c.

(A) waterlogged latex balls found at El Manati and representations of ballplayers painted on ceramics found at San Lorenzo attest
(B) waterlogged latex balls found at El Manati and the painting of representations of ballplayers on ceramics found at San Lorenzo attests
(C) waterlogged latex balls found at El Manati and ceramics painted with representations of ballplayers found at San Lorenzo attests
(D) the finding of waterlogged latex balls at El Manati and the painting of representations of ballplayers on ceramics found at San Lorenzo attests
(E) the finding of waterlogged latex balls at El Manati and of representations of ballplayers painted on ceramics at San Lorenzo attest


The subordinate clause cannot modify 'the finding of waterlogged latex balls' Plus E has Subject Verb disagreement, and D is passive so D & E are OUT.
B,C have Subject Verb disagreement among other issues. Water logged balls and XXX are a compound subject which means we need a plural verb. So B,C are OUT.

A is the answer.
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carcass wrote:
Gmat is a test for managers (or future managers), in which you have to use logic and leverage your time at the best and in the most efficient way.

Conclusion: why you must spend millions of years to eviscerate a question, in which using the split singular/plural you boil down the answer choices between A and E, and as a consequence E is really bad, and from this A is the best. All this process in 25 seconds and move one the next question and level of difficulty...

This is the meaning of the test indeed. Keep in mind.

GMATNinja I am ready being stoned to death for what I said ...... :roll: :roll:


Hi,

Could you please explain what is wrong with E?
findings can attest if the balls can since both are inanimate..."E" is pefectly grammatical.

Since its OG ques I am definitely missing something. Kindly throw some light on what I am mis-interpreting.

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The finding - Singular Subject
Attest - Plural Verb
So we have a Subject Verb disagreement in the sentence.
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akshayk wrote:
gmatexam439 wrote:
carcass wrote:
Gmat is a test for managers (or future managers), in which you have to use logic and leverage your time at the best and in the most efficient way.

Conclusion: why you must spend millions of years to eviscerate a question, in which using the split singular/plural you boil down the answer choices between A and E, and as a consequence E is really bad, and from this A is the best. All this process in 25 seconds and move one the next question and level of difficulty...

This is the meaning of the test indeed. Keep in mind.

GMATNinja I am ready being stoned to death for what I said ...... :roll: :roll:


Hi,

Could you please explain what is wrong with E?
findings can attest if the balls can since both are inanimate..."E" is pefectly grammatical.

Since its OG ques I am definitely missing something. Kindly throw some light on what I am mis-interpreting.

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The finding - Singular Subject
Attest - Plural Verb
So we have a Subject Verb disagreement in the sentence.


SHIT!! I wrongly read it as finding"s" ..... thats y i was thinking why the hell are 2 options absolutely correct here ....
damn ... thanks bro :)
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While most of the earliest known ball courts in Mesoamerica date to 900–400 b.c., waterlogged latex balls found at El Manati and representations of ballplayers painted on ceramics found at San Lorenzo attest to the fact that the Mesoamerican ballgame was well established by the mid-thirteenth century b.c.

(A) waterlogged latex balls found at El Manati and representations of ballplayers painted on ceramics found at San Lorenzo attest correct, others have issues with SV agreement
(B) waterlogged latex balls found at El Manati and the painting of representations of ballplayers on ceramics found at San Lorenzo attests
(C) waterlogged latex balls found at El Manati and ceramics painted with representations of ballplayers found at San Lorenzo attests
(D) the finding of waterlogged latex balls at El Manati and the painting of representations of ballplayers on ceramics found at San Lorenzo attests
(E) the finding of waterlogged latex balls at El Manati and of representations of ballplayers painted on ceramics at San Lorenzo attest

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Question No.: 799

While most of the earliest known ball courts in Mesoamerica date to 900–400 b.c., waterlogged latex balls found at El Manati and representations of ballplayers painted on ceramics found at San Lorenzo attest to the fact that the Mesoamerican ballgame was well established by the mid-thirteenth century b.c.

(A) waterlogged latex balls found at El Manati and representations of ballplayers painted on ceramics found at San Lorenzo attest
(B) waterlogged latex balls found at El Manati and the painting of representations of ballplayers on ceramics found at San Lorenzo attests
(C) waterlogged latex balls found at El Manati and ceramics painted with representations of ballplayers found at San Lorenzo attests
(D) the finding of waterlogged latex balls at El Manati and the painting of representations of ballplayers on ceramics found at San Lorenzo attests
(E) the finding of waterlogged latex balls at El Manati and of representations of ballplayers painted on ceramics at San Lorenzo attest


The usage of "and" in the original sentence constitutes a compound subject; therefore, the usage of "attest," a plural form of the verb "attest," is actually correct.

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Hi @gmatninja, Experts,

I believe that options B and D can also be discarded as they change the meaning.

They imply that a single painting was found. Moreover, it is unclear if the painting was "on ceramics" or the painting was of "representation of ballplayers on ceramics".

Please confirm if this understanding is correct

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Hi GMATNinja, Experts,

I believe that options B and D can also be discarded as they change the meaning.

They imply that a single painting was found. Moreover, it is unclear if the painting was "on ceramics" or the painting was of "representation of ballplayers on ceramics".

Please confirm if this understanding is correct




Hello kunal1608,

I will be glad to help you out with this one. :-)

Yes, the meaning issue that you have identified in Choice B and D is correct.

Well done there. Keep up the good job. :thumbup:


Hope this helps. :-)
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Am not clear on why D is wrong ?
(D) the finding of waterlogged latex balls at El Manati and the painting of representations of ballplayers on ceramics found at San Lorenzo attests

the finding is singular so does the verb "attests"

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D. the finding of waterlogged latex balls at El Manati and the painting of representations of ballplayers on ceramics found at San Lorenzo attests

D may not be excluded just on a simplistic view that it is not concise. There is more stylistic as well as unclear grammar about it than what meets the eye.
One could imply a few things about D as below

1. " The finding of the ball and the painting" "--- When we refer to some nouns generically, it is a good style to use plurals. Else, we may suffer inadvertently from referencing any particular event of a phenomenon because no one draws judgments from singular occurrences. They are deduced from several evidences. Maybe ---the finding or the painting -- is not as appropriate as its plural.
2."The finding of" as singular subject at the beginning is redundant with the participle found at the rear part.
3. Structurally, the finding of --- waterlogged latex balls and the painting of representations found --- is not parallel. One may note that they are two different phenomena at two different locations and cannot be grouped in a single observation. In contrast, one can see how neatly the parallelism has been espoused in A.
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