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A certain school's admissions policy requires of both undergraduate and graduate schools that academic prerequisites be the same for programs historically entered by male students as for programs requiring equivalent academic rigor that are usually entered by female students.


A. that academic prerequisites be the same for programs historically entered by male students as for programs requiring equivalent academic rigor that are

B. that academic prerequisites for programs historically entered by male students should be the same as for a program requiring equivalent academic rigor

C. to demand academic prerequisites the same in programs historically entered by male students as in programs of equivalent academic rigor that are

D. to demand academic prerequisites the same apart from whether a program was historically entered by male students or is one demanding equivalent academic rigor

E. to demand academic prerequisites as much for programs historically entered by men as for a program demanding equivalent academic rigor

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require is a bossy verb ;

SO require+that+subject+be ........................... which is there in A
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require that he be
require somebody to do
require of somebody something

now we know a new pattern

require of somebody that he be
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Require x that be y is the correct usage. For reference, please find the following link

http://magoosh.com/gmat/2011/top-ten-mo ... at-idioms/

thanks to Chris Lele and team from Magoosh for compiling this. mikemcgarry

So the incoorect idiomatic expression in C,D,E result in their elimination. Between A and B, look closely.

A says require that x be y
B says require that x for y

hence A
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Are require and demand redundant in the case?
I eliminated C,D, and E because of this reason.
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Are require and demand redundant in the case?
I eliminated C,D, and E because of this reason.


and I eliminated B because of the presence of "should" in subjunctive form.
and was left with A. Is this a correct approach ?
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Chembeti wrote:
A certain school's admissions policy requires of both undergraduate and graduate schools that academic prerequisites be the same for programs historically entered by male students as for programs requiring equivalent academic rigor that are usually entered by female students.

A. that academic prerequisites be the same for programs historically entered by male students as for programs requiring equivalent academic rigor that are

B.that academic prerequisites for programs historically entered by male students should be the same as for a program requiring equivalent academic rigor

C. to demand academic prerequisites the same in programs historically entered by male students as in programs of equivalent academic rigor that are

D. to demand academic prerequisites the same apart from whether a program was historically entered by male students or is one demanding equivalent academic rigor

E. to demand academic prerequisites as much for programs historically entered by men as for a program demanding equivalent academic rigor


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Are require and demand redundant in choices C, D and E?

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Chembeti wrote:
A certain school's admissions policy requires of both undergraduate and graduate schools that academic prerequisites be the same for programs historically entered by male students as for programs requiring equivalent academic rigor that are usually entered by female students.

A. that academic prerequisites be the same for programs historically entered by male students as for programs requiring equivalent academic rigor that are

B.that academic prerequisites for programs historically entered by male students should be the same as for a program requiring equivalent academic rigor

C. to demand academic prerequisites the same in programs historically entered by male students as in programs of equivalent academic rigor that are

D. to demand academic prerequisites the same apart from whether a program was historically entered by male students or is one demanding equivalent academic rigor

E. to demand academic prerequisites as much for programs historically entered by men as for a program demanding equivalent academic rigor


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Chembeti wrote:
A certain school's admissions policy requires of both undergraduate and graduate schools that academic prerequisites be the same for programs historically entered by male students as for programs requiring equivalent academic rigor that are usually entered by female students.

A. that academic prerequisites be the same for programs historically entered by male students as for programs requiring equivalent academic rigor that are

B.that academic prerequisites for programs historically entered by male students should be the same as for a program requiring equivalent academic rigor

C. to demand academic prerequisites the same in programs historically entered by male students as in programs of equivalent academic rigor that are

D. to demand academic prerequisites the same apart from whether a program was historically entered by male students or is one demanding equivalent academic rigor

E. to demand academic prerequisites as much for programs historically entered by men as for a program demanding equivalent academic rigor


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gmat1393 wrote:
Chembeti wrote:
A certain school's admissions policy requires of both undergraduate and graduate schools that academic prerequisites be the same for programs historically entered by male students as for programs requiring equivalent academic rigor that are usually entered by female students.

A. that academic prerequisites be the same for programs historically entered by male students as for programs requiring equivalent academic rigor that are

B.that academic prerequisites for programs historically entered by male students should be the same as for a program requiring equivalent academic rigor

C. to demand academic prerequisites the same in programs historically entered by male students as in programs of equivalent academic rigor that are

D. to demand academic prerequisites the same apart from whether a program was historically entered by male students or is one demanding equivalent academic rigor

E. to demand academic prerequisites as much for programs historically entered by men as for a program demanding equivalent academic rigor


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Are require and demand redundant in choices C, D and E?

Thanks!

gmat1393 , although repetitive, they are not really redundant. The problem lies elsewhere.

We have a missing persons case. :)

Strip the sentence. In options A and B we have

1) Policy requires that classes be fair.

2) Policy requires of schools that [their classes be fair].

Both are just fine and in the command subjunctive form.

But in options C, D, and E we have either

1) Policy requires to demand... or

2) Policy requires of schools to demand...

In #1: WHO demands?

In #2: FROM WHOM do schools demand?

We have a missing agent in both cases. #1) lacks a proper subject to do the demanding, and #2) lacks a proper indirect object to whom the demands can be directed.

I can see how the repetition in meaning might make "to demand" seem redundant, but the real problem is that "requires to demand" has no subject (whether as actor or recipient of act).

The two verbs can be used together without redundancy, thus: "Before the confirmation process begins, the committee is required to demand copies of the candidate's political contributions."

Although similar, as you can see from the sentence I just constructed, the two verbs are not automatically redundant.

And in this SC question, "requires" and "to demand" produce nonsense because a subject is missing.

Hope that helps! :-)
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Are require and demand redundant in the case?
I eliminated C,D, and E because of this reason.

gzsakuraz -- sorry!!! I should have tagged you in my post above that answers your good question.
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gzsakuraz wrote:
Are require and demand redundant in the case?
I eliminated C,D, and E because of this reason.


and I eliminated B because of the presence of "should" in subjunctive form.
and was left with A. Is this a correct approach ?

shiva007 , please see my post above about "require" and "demand."

And yes, you absolutely should eliminate B because should does not belong in the subjunctive construction! :)
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Chembeti wrote:
A certain school's admissions policy requires of both undergraduate and graduate schools that academic prerequisites be the same for programs historically entered by male students as for programs requiring equivalent academic rigor that are usually entered by female students.


A. that academic prerequisites be the same for programs historically entered by male students as for programs requiring equivalent academic rigor that are

B. that academic prerequisites for programs historically entered by male students should be the same as for a program requiring equivalent academic rigor

C. to demand academic prerequisites the same in programs historically entered by male students as in programs of equivalent academic rigor that are

D. to demand academic prerequisites the same apart from whether a program was historically entered by male students or is one demanding equivalent academic rigor

E. to demand academic prerequisites as much for programs historically entered by men as for a program demanding equivalent academic rigor


Will require of both not need "to" rather than "that"?

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Chembeti wrote:
A certain school's admissions policy requires of both undergraduate and graduate schools that academic prerequisites be the same for programs historically entered by male students as for programs requiring equivalent academic rigor that are usually entered by female students.


A. that academic prerequisites be the same for programs historically entered by male students as for programs requiring equivalent academic rigor that are

B. that academic prerequisites for programs historically entered by male students should be the same as for a program requiring equivalent academic rigor

C. to demand academic prerequisites the same in programs historically entered by male students as in programs of equivalent academic rigor that are

D. to demand academic prerequisites the same apart from whether a program was historically entered by male students or is one demanding equivalent academic rigor

E. to demand academic prerequisites as much for programs historically entered by men as for a program demanding equivalent academic rigor


Will require of both not need "to" rather than "that"?

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globaldesi , no, the construction is both idiomatic (Require that X be Y) and part of the larger group of "bossy" verbs that take the command subjunctive structure:

BOSSY VERB + subject + THAT + bare infinitive of verb

The infinitive: to walk, to run, to see, to write

For the bare infinitive, simply remove the "to": walk, run, see, write

General example: I demand that he be removed from office.

Require: The judge required that the defendant perform community service.

Require: The teacher requires that I learn penmanship before I learn to type.

Some bossy verbs may be used only in the command subjunctive structure.

Other bossy verbs may be used only with an infinitive.

Some verbs may be used both ways. "Require" is among that group.

THIS post by GMAT Club founder bb is a good place to start.

Hope that helps.
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globaldesi wrote:
Chembeti wrote:
A certain school's admissions policy requires of both undergraduate and graduate schools that academic prerequisites be the same for programs historically entered by male students as for programs requiring equivalent academic rigor that are usually entered by female students.


A. that academic prerequisites be the same for programs historically entered by male students as for programs requiring equivalent academic rigor that are

B. that academic prerequisites for programs historically entered by male students should be the same as for a program requiring equivalent academic rigor

C. to demand academic prerequisites the same in programs historically entered by male students as in programs of equivalent academic rigor that are

D. to demand academic prerequisites the same apart from whether a program was historically entered by male students or is one demanding equivalent academic rigor

E. to demand academic prerequisites as much for programs historically entered by men as for a program demanding equivalent academic rigor


Will require of both not need "to" rather than "that"?

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globaldesi , no, the construction is both idiomatic (Require that X be Y) and part of the larger group of "bossy" verbs that take the command subjunctive structure:

BOSSY VERB + subject + THAT + bare infinitive of verb

The infinitive: to walk, to run, to see, to write

For the bare infinitive, simply remove the "to": walk, run, see, write

General example: I demand that he be removed from office.

Require: The judge required that the defendants perform community service.

Require: The teacher requires that I learn penmanship before I learn to type.

Some bossy verbs may be used only in the command subjunctive structure.

Other bossy verbs may be used only with an infinitive.

Some verbs may be used both ways. "Require" is among that group.

THIS post by GMAT Club founder bb is a good place to start.

Hope that helps.


I am clear with bossy verbs. It is the presence of "of" that bothers me.
had it been "requires that", the sentence would have made sense but doesn't of causes hindrance
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Will require of both not need "to" rather than "that"?

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globaldesi , no, the construction is both idiomatic (Require that X be Y) and part of the larger group of "bossy" verbs that take the command subjunctive structure: . . .

I am clear with bossy verbs. It is the presence of "of" that bothers me.
had it been "requires that", the sentence would have made sense but doesn't of causes hindrance

globaldesi , ah, now I understand.
To pose questions that are clear, stress the word or phrase that bothers you, as you did the second time around:
It is the presence of "of" that bothers me.

Your other question is ambiguous: Will require of both not need "to" rather than "that"?
Are you asking about the phrase "require of both," or are you asking about require "of" both?

I have edited my previous response.

Overall: REQUIRE OF must have a that, not a to.
Require that must be in the command subjunctive form discussed above.

Two more thoughts —

First, I think it is easier to eliminate on the basis of the construction of "require to" rather than "require that."
The construction of "require to" is incorrect, so options C, D, and E are eliminated.

Second, the idiomatic construction is not hard to remember.
The verb "require" is a ripe target for testing.

We have two possible constructions:
-- The policy requires someone to do something. Require + object + infinitive
-- The policy requires that someone do something. Require + that clause in subjunctive command form

Require + infinitive is structured incorrectly.

If the policy requires someone to do something the structure is
require + object + infinitive

The verb must have its own object, someone who (or something that) receives the command.
The direct object of a preposition cannot serve as the object of a verb.

That is, if the infinitive is in use, the direct object must be without a preposition.
I require him to write well.
I require Tom to write well.
Whom do I require to write well? Tom. Him.

I require OF Tom to write well?
My direct object just went away.
I require [] to write well. Nonsense.

The object of the preposition "of" cannot also be the object of the verb "to require."

The policy requires OF the schools to practice gender equity? NO. Wrong.
"Schools" is the object of the preposition "of."
Now we have, "The policy requires to practice gender equity." That sentence is nonsensical.

Eliminate C, D, and E

Between A and B: "should" is never part of command subjunctive (despite common usage in British English)
Eliminate B.

Idiomatic construction

Short version, all correct, and if not on this list, not correct
Require X to (do) Y
Require that X do Y
Require OF X that it do Y


When you use the word "of" after require, you may not use the infinitive construction.
Instead, you must use the command subjunctive construction.

If I state a command or directive to an audience, after all, I require OF the audience that it do something.

This question and idiomatic construction
CORRECT
• Require someone to do something: The policy requires the two schools to practice gender equity.
• Require that someone do something: The policy requires that the two schools practice gender equity.
• Require OF someone that she or he do something: The policy requires OF the two schools that they practice gender equity.

INCORRECT
• Require OF someone to do something
• Require OF someone that she or he SHOULD do something
(should is implied in a command)

Your slightly reformatted question: Will require "OF" (both) not need "to" rather than "that"?

Answer: No. In fact, quite the reverse: the OF in of both requires that rather than to.

For one thing, if we use require to, we have no direct object; the phrase "of both schools" is not an object of the verb require.

For another, using require to in this situation is not idiomatic.

Hope that analysis helps.
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Thank you generis for the detailed explanation.
It indeed clarified the answer and usage of "of" with requires.
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