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Did not understand the ans of question 3 and 5.... I thought 3. B and 5. C. Can anybody explain the ans to me?
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Did not understand the ans of question 3 and 5.... I thought 3. B and 5. C. Can anybody explain the ans to me?

She has to survey everything she is and
everything she does because how she appears
50 to others, and ultimately how she appears to
men, is of crucial importance for what is
normally thought of as the success of her life.

The above excerpt from the passage tells you that she is always conscious of how she is perceived.
3.c

5th is an except question .
It is nowhere mentioned that men are conscious of how they are perceived.
hence B.

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I don't understand whats the difference between options A and B in 6th Question.

chetan2u, sayantanc2k Your thoughts please.
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Plz explain the question no 3 (why OA is not b ) and the question no 4 ? Thanks in advance.
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With Q3

She has to survey everything she is and everything she does because how she appears to others, and ultimately how she appears to men, is of crucial importance for what is normally thought of as the success of her life.


I think the OA should be B. Please provide OE.


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Explainations to Q1, Q4 and Q6?

Can someone explain A vs B in question 6?
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Took 11 mins in total, including 6 mins to read the passage.

Para 1- the social presence of a woman is different in kind from that of a man;
man’s presence is dependent upon the promise of power while a woman’s presence expresses her own attitude to herself
Para 2- details about women's presence; a woman’s self being split into two - the surveyor and the surveyed within her
Para 3- how a woman appears to a man can determine how she will be treated; Every woman’s presence regulates what is and is not “permissible” within her presence

1. According to “usage and conventions,” appearance is NECESSARILY a part of reality for
Her presence is manifest in her gestures, voices, opinions, expressions, clothes, chosen surroundings, taste—indeed there is nothing she can do which does not contribute to her presence. Presence for a woman is so intrinsic to her person that men tend to think of it as an almost physical emanation, a kind of heat or smell or aura.
(B) women- Correct


2. In analyzing a woman’s customary “social presence,” the author hopes to
(A) justify and reinforce it.-incorrect the author does not justify a woman’s customary social presence
(B) understand and explain it. - Correct - the author is neutral and explains the details
(C) expose and discredit it. - incorrect - the author does not expose and discredit
(D) demonstrate and criticize it. - incorrect - the author does not criticize
(E) sanction and promote it. - incorrect - the author does not promote

3. It can be inferred from the passage that a woman with a Ph.D. in psychology who gives a lecture to a group of students is probably MOST concerned with
From earliest childhood she has been taught and persuaded to survey herself continually. And so she comes to consider the surveyor and the surveyed within her as the two constituent yet always distinct elements of her identity as a woman.
(C) how she comes off as a speaker in psychology. - Correct

4. The passage portrays women as
She has to survey everything she is and everything she does because how she appears to others, and ultimately how she appears to men, is of crucial importance for what is normally thought of as the success of her life. Her own sense of being in herself is supplanted by a sense of being appreciated as herself by another.
(C) actresses - correct


5. Which one of the following is NOT implied by the passage?

(A) Women have split personalities.- incorrect; But this has been at the cost of a woman’s self being split into two.
(B) Men are not image-conscious. - A man’s presence depends on the promise of power
(C) Good looks are more important to women than to men. - we know that appearance matters to women, but can we make a comparative inference here?
Presence for a woman is so intrinsic to her person that men tend to think of it as an almost physical emanation, a kind of heat or smell or aura.

(D) A man is defined by what he does, whereas a woman is defined by how she appears.- incorrect
(E) A man’s presence is extrinsic, whereas a woman’s is intrinsic. - incorrect; promised power may be moral, physical, temperamental, economic, social, sexual—but its object is always exterior to the man. A man’s presence suggests what he is capable of doing to you or for you.
Presence for a woman is so intrinsic to her person that men tend to think of it as an almost physical emanation, a kind of heat or smell or aura.

6. The primary purpose of the passage is to

(A) compare and contrast woman’s presence and place in society with that of man’s.
(B) discuss a woman’s presence and place in society and to contrast it with a man’s presence and place.
(C) illustrate how a woman is oppressed by society.- incorrect
(D) explain why men are better than women at telling jokes. - incorrect
(E) illustrate how both men and women are hurt by sexism. - incorrect


1. In question 6, I was in a fix between options A and B(both seem pretty similar) and chose option B because women's presence seemed more central as it was discussed in all the paragraphs.

2. In question 5, I know option B is NOT implied but can you please help with option C.
Women are image-conscious whereas men's presence depends upon power.


The answer to question 6 is B in the following link-
(https://admissiontable.com/11-gre-verba ... rehension/ )

AjiteshArun , GMATNinja , MagooshExpert , GMATGuruNY , VeritasPrepBrian , MartyTargetTestPrep , DmitryFarber , VeritasKarishma , generis , other experts - please enlighten
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1. According to “usage and conventions,” appearance is NECESSARILY a part of reality for

(A) men
(B) women
(C) both men and women
(D) neither men nor women
(E) men always and women occasionally

I disagree with the OA and OE
my reasoning :
in the last para the author tells us that "Men survey women before treating them. Consequently how a woman appears to a man can determine how she will be treated. " : the author says that (according to USage and Convention) men observe /survey women ... this implies that the appearance of her (not looks and stuff) is what helps them evaluate the woman !! Then isnt for MEN the appearance a part of reality?? becasue by appearance the men judge how the woman would like to be treated !!

Secondly, in the last para the author further tells us that women actually put up that appearance in order to tell other how she would like to be treated !!! So even here appearance does become a necessary part of reality for women !!! BUT as the author is not very fond of the usage and conc=vention theory the appearance a woman puts up may not be ACTUALLY THE CASE (this view is supported by the example of father death in second part)


2. In analyzing a woman’s customary “social presence,” the author hopes to

(A) justify and reinforce it.
(B) understand and explain it.
(C) expose and discredit it.
(D) demonstrate and criticize it.
(E) sanction and promote it.

DIsagree with the OA
The author does explain to us what the usage and convention thory is . But he nowhere tries to understand himsef. He is rather NOT VERY FOND OF the theiry (supported by his/her statements :
"According to usage and conventions which are at last being questioned but have by no means been overcome, the social presence of a woman is different in kind from that of a man."

"he has to survey everything she is and everything she does because how she appears to others, and ultimately how she appears to men, is of crucial importance for what is normally thought of as the success of her life. "

"If a woman makes a good joke this is an example of how she treats the joker in herself and accordingly of how she as joker-woman would like to be treated by others. Only a man can make a good joke for its own sake."

The author does not like tis thery ! The question says "What does the author HOPE to" and not "what author is DOING" . He hopes to explain to US the theory..He is not trying t understnda it !!

5. Which one of the following is NOT implied by the passage?

(A) Women have split personalities.
(B) Men are not image-conscious.
(C) Good looks are more important to women than to men.
(D) A man is defined by what he does, whereas a woman is defined by how she appears.
(E) A man’s presence is extrinsic, whereas a woman’s is intrinsic.

Options are poorly worded
This question has exploited the term "IMPLIED " as hell !! I mean if i say i am in califrnia !! the answer choice according to the above answer choice may actually say : I am an example of DARWIN"s evolution theory !!! Just becasue i can talk and i am human (which again are assumptions considering there ere no robos or AI)

A : Women have split personalities : Split personality definition : (dissociative identity disorder) characteriesed vy presence of two or more personality states or distinct identities that repeatedly take ontrol of aperson's behavior .
The passage states : " But this has been at the cost of a woman’s self being split into two. A woman must continually watch herself. Whilst she is walking across a room or whilst she is weeping at the death of her father, she can scarcely avoid envisaging herself walking or weeping. From earliest childhood she has been taught and persuaded to survey herself continually. And so she comes to consider the surveyor and the surveyed within her as the two constituent yet always distinct elements of her identity as a woman."
The theory implies that women actually survey themselfves as in how they behave and appear . She surveys herself. The thery does state that these are two DISTINCT elements of her identity AS A WOMAN !! for example if a girl wants to go to a club and wear a short dress . Before doing that she may actually analyse how the surpunding would be how she will appear to other and how she will be judged (this may or may not be true) . This is what the theory in saying . THIS IN NO WAY MEANS SHE HAS A SPLIT PEPRSONALITY !!! FIrstly thats a wrong term to be used !! completely unwarranted !! Secondly that is taken as a disorder !! If the option were that "Women have two distinct elemts of identity" then it could be permissible !! But split peronality??? EVERY HUMAN on earth has more than 2 thots !! BUT we do not say WE all have split peronalities !!!

B: Men are not image-conscious.
Again a poor;y worded option . What do we infer by "image" ??? the looks or the behavior?? the oveall posture or the facial expresson?? If we talk about overall appeaarance or behavior MEN ARE ACTUALLY image consuious ! If we talk about facal expression/ looks of the woman then men may not be image consious !!

C:(C) Good looks are more important to women than to men.
again we never talked about looks in the passage !!! we talked about appeaarancec !! AND that appearnace was not specifivally definded as to refer to "looks" . IF we go by "open minded NON SHALLOW" thinking then appearnce may be defined as he "behavior of a woman what her views are and what she is as a person" and not looks !!! and in the passage the "non look" aspect is talked baout !!

6. The primary purpose of the passage is to

(A) compare and contrast woman’s presence and place in society with that of man’s.
(B) discuss a woman’s presence and place in society and to contrast it with a man’s presence and place.
(C) illustrate how a woman is oppressed by society.
(D) explain why men are better than women at telling jokes.
(E) illustrate how both men and women are hurt by sexism.

I mean WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A and B ..like seriously???

generis please evaluate my views on the above question !!!
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1. According to “usage and conventions,” appearance is NECESSARILY a part of reality for

(A) men
(B) women
(C) both men and women
(D) neither men nor women
(E) men always and women occasionally

I disagree with the OA and OE
my reasoning :
in the last para the author tells us that "Men survey women before treating them. Consequently how a woman appears to a man can determine how she will be treated. " : the author says that (according to USage and Convention) men observe /survey women ... this implies that the appearance of her (not looks and stuff) is what helps them evaluate the woman !! Then isnt for MEN the appearance a part of reality?? becasue by appearance the men judge how the woman would like to be treated !!

Secondly, in the last para the author further tells us that women actually put up that appearance in order to tell other how she would like to be treated !!! So even here appearance does become a necessary part of reality for women !!! BUT as the author is not very fond of the usage and conc=vention theory the appearance a woman puts up may not be ACTUALLY THE CASE (this view is supported by the example of father death in second part)


2. In analyzing a woman’s customary “social presence,” the author hopes to

(A) justify and reinforce it.
(B) understand and explain it.
(C) expose and discredit it.
(D) demonstrate and criticize it.
(E) sanction and promote it.

DIsagree with the OA
The author does explain to us what the usage and convention thory is . But he nowhere tries to understand himsef. He is rather NOT VERY FOND OF the theiry (supported by his/her statements :
"According to usage and conventions which are at last being questioned but have by no means been overcome, the social presence of a woman is different in kind from that of a man."

"he has to survey everything she is and everything she does because how she appears to others, and ultimately how she appears to men, is of crucial importance for what is normally thought of as the success of her life. "

"If a woman makes a good joke this is an example of how she treats the joker in herself and accordingly of how she as joker-woman would like to be treated by others. Only a man can make a good joke for its own sake."

The author does not like tis thery ! The question says "What does the author HOPE to" and not "what author is DOING" . He hopes to explain to US the theory..He is not trying t understnda it !!

5. Which one of the following is NOT implied by the passage?

(A) Women have split personalities.
(B) Men are not image-conscious.
(C) Good looks are more important to women than to men.
(D) A man is defined by what he does, whereas a woman is defined by how she appears.
(E) A man’s presence is extrinsic, whereas a woman’s is intrinsic.

Options are poorly worded
This question has exploited the term "IMPLIED " as hell !! I mean if i say i am in califrnia !! the answer choice according to the above answer choice may actually say : I am an example of DARWIN"s evolution theory !!! Just becasue i can talk and i am human (which again are assumptions considering there ere no robos or AI)

A : Women have split personalities : Split personality definition : (dissociative identity disorder) characteriesed vy presence of two or more personality states or distinct identities that repeatedly take ontrol of aperson's behavior .
The passage states : " But this has been at the cost of a woman’s self being split into two. A woman must continually watch herself. Whilst she is walking across a room or whilst she is weeping at the death of her father, she can scarcely avoid envisaging herself walking or weeping. From earliest childhood she has been taught and persuaded to survey herself continually. And so she comes to consider the surveyor and the surveyed within her as the two constituent yet always distinct elements of her identity as a woman."
The theory implies that women actually survey themselfves as in how they behave and appear . She surveys herself. The thery does state that these are two DISTINCT elements of her identity AS A WOMAN !! for example if a girl wants to go to a club and wear a short dress . Before doing that she may actually analyse how the surpunding would be how she will appear to other and how she will be judged (this may or may not be true) . This is what the theory in saying . THIS IN NO WAY MEANS SHE HAS A SPLIT PEPRSONALITY !!! FIrstly thats a wrong term to be used !! completely unwarranted !! Secondly that is taken as a disorder !! If the option were that "Women have two distinct elemts of identity" then it could be permissible !! But split peronality??? EVERY HUMAN on earth has more than 2 thots !! BUT we do not say WE all have split peronalities !!!

B: Men are not image-conscious.
Again a poor;y worded option . What do we infer by "image" ??? the looks or the behavior?? the oveall posture or the facial expresson?? If we talk about overall appeaarance or behavior MEN ARE ACTUALLY image consuious ! If we talk about facal expression/ looks of the woman then men may not be image consious !!

C:(C) Good looks are more important to women than to men.
again we never talked about looks in the passage !!! we talked about appeaarancec !! AND that appearnace was not specifivally definded as to refer to "looks" . IF we go by "open minded NON SHALLOW" thinking then appearnce may be defined as he "behavior of a woman what her views are and what she is as a person" and not looks !!! and in the passage the "non look" aspect is talked baout !!

6. The primary purpose of the passage is to

(A) compare and contrast woman’s presence and place in society with that of man’s.
(B) discuss a woman’s presence and place in society and to contrast it with a man’s presence and place.
(C) illustrate how a woman is oppressed by society.
(D) explain why men are better than women at telling jokes.
(E) illustrate how both men and women are hurt by sexism.

I mean WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A and B ..like seriously???

generis please evaluate my views on the above question !!!
AdityaHongunti - your analysis is very good. +1
Your use of text is shrewd.

I really like the passion, made more poignant with humor. I laughed at the Darwin analogy and other parts such as "like, seriously?" :grin:

(Just in case others do not know: don't use that expression in your essays. Dial back the outrage. In answering this question, though? Just fine.)

You are correct to note the confusing split among what the author believes; what the author does not like; what the author thinks he or she says; what the author actually says; and how all of those things get scrambled.

The passage and the questions are so slippery that analyzing them is hard to put into words, but you did so.

If ever B-school does not seem great, consider law school. No kidding. Well done!
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Map:

1st paragraph introduces the topic at hand and compares Women appearance with Men.
2nd paragraph discussed the appearance of Women
3rd paragraph discussed women treatment to the difference scenarios with examples,

Now look into answer choices

(A) compare and contrast woman’s presence and place in society with that of man’s. – Compared in the first paragraph and contrasted in the rest of the passage – This is correct
(B) Discuss a woman’s presence and place in society and to contrast it with a man’s presence and place. – This is definitely a Trap answer, It start with good but ends with bad. Woman’s presence and place in the society is discussed and also it is contrasted with a FEW attributed of Men but not with the place of Men in the society. That’s why it is WRONG


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can you explain further about the difference between A and B? i did not get this explanation above
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Hello zeozhuyan please read this post carefully and ping me if you still have doubt.

https://gmatclub.com/forum/according-to ... l#p2231988

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Map:

1st paragraph introduces the topic at hand and compares Women appearance with Men.
2nd paragraph discussed the appearance of Women
3rd paragraph discussed women treatment to the difference scenarios with examples,

Now look into answer choices

(A) compare and contrast woman’s presence and place in society with that of man’s. – Compared in the first paragraph and contrasted in the rest of the passage – This is correct
(B) Discuss a woman’s presence and place in society and to contrast it with a man’s presence and place. – This is definitely a Trap answer, It start with good but ends with bad. Woman’s presence and place in the society is discussed and also it is contrasted with a FEW attributed of Men but not with the place of Men in the society. That’s why it is WRONG


Hope it Helps
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can you explain further about the difference between A and B? i did not get this explanation above
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The basic difference between Option A and B in question 6 is that one talks about comparison as the bigger picture and the other talks about introduction to an idea and then compare. Because the passage is comparing the presence of the counterparts since the very beginning and the same is kept consistent till the very end, the correct answer should be option A.

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Extremely poor questions, the passage is not representative of the GMAT at all
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