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Gen. Joseph Hooker initially seized the advantage at the Battle of Chancellorsville, but despite having an army twice the size of Gen. Lee's confederates, he lost his nerve and settled into a more defensive posture, with the result that his army would suffer a humiliating defeat.


A. with the result that his army would suffer

B. eventually with his army suffering

C. and as a result, his army eventually would suffer

D. his army eventually suffering

E. which eventually caused his army to suffer

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Gen. Joseph Hooker initially seized the advantage at the Battle of Chancellorsville, but despite having an army twice the size of Gen. Lee's confederates, he lost his nerve and settled into a more defensive posture, with the result that his army would suffer a humiliating defeat.


A. with the result that his army would suffer

B. eventually with his army suffering

C. and as a result, his army eventually would suffer

D. his army eventually suffering

E. which eventually caused his army to suffer
IMO E

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He lost his nerve & settled into a more defensive posture, which eventually caused his army to suffer
2 statements in past tense in only option E, hence all others can be ruled out

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+1 for D.

A. with the result that his army would suffer
B. eventually with his army suffering
C. and as a result, his army eventually would suffer
D. his army eventually suffering --> Correct
Gen. Joseph Hooker initially seized,......., he lost his nerve and settled into a more defensive posture, his army eventually suffering ...
E. which eventually caused his army to suffer

Hence, D.
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IMO C:
A: With the result is wrong. Need to attach two independent clauses with something better.
B:Don't like [verb]-ing in it. Suffering is not continuing.
C: Looks fine.
D:Wrong construction. Need a connector after comma. Same problem ab B with Verb-ing
E:Which is modifying posture so wrong.
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answer should be either a/c as the suffering happened later and not in the same time frame as taking the defensive position.
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hwo can the ans be D?

the suffering is something that happened later on and in D, it is presented as an ING modifier which needs to be in the same time frame as the main verb.

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If this isnt an ING modifier, what sort of modifier is it?
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+1 for D.

A. with the result that his army would suffer
B. eventually with his army suffering
C. and as a result, his army eventually would suffer
D. his army eventually suffering --> Correct
Gen. Joseph Hooker initially seized,......., he lost his nerve and settled into a more defensive posture, his army eventually suffering ...
E. which eventually caused his army to suffer

Hence, D.


what sort of modifier is used in D?
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Gen. Joseph Hooker initially seized the advantage at the Battle of Chancellorsville, but despite having an army twice the size of Gen. Lee's confederates, he lost his nerve and settled into a more defensive posture, with the result that his army would suffer a humiliating defeat.


A. with the result that his army would suffer

B. eventually with his army suffering

C. and as a result, his army eventually would suffer

D. his army eventually suffering

E. which eventually caused his army to suffer


Imo E

The crux of the sentence is that general lost his nerve and settled into a more defensive position. Now all these actions let to his army's defeat.

Now the point is that these two actions let to defeat. We are not sure weather the cause was either of them but we do know that these actions together led to defeat.
Verb ing modifiers separated by comma are used to present the results of the action in previous sentence. So here D is correct.

A use of with is not correct as there is a lot of action so we can use participle or verb-ing modifiers also use of would is incorrect.

B Again with is not correct. This preposition suggest some accompaniment but here it is absolutely incorrect.

C Now the structure of the sentence is changes to make full clause but gain the use of would is not correct.

D correct

E Now which here refers to the defensive posture but the defeat was the result of both the actions so this also incorrect.
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Bunuel wrote:
Gen. Joseph Hooker initially seized the advantage at the Battle of Chancellorsville, but despite having an army twice the size of Gen. Lee's confederates, he lost his nerve and settled into a more defensive posture, with the result that his army would suffer a humiliating defeat.


A. with the result that his army would suffer

B. eventually with his army suffering

C. and as a result, his army eventually would suffer

D. his army eventually suffering

E. which eventually caused his army to suffer



rahulkashyap,
few points:-

1) Verb+ing modifier is not related to tense or a time frame. it's role would depend on COMMA
if there is a comma, the modifier tells us about the preceding clause
he worked very hard, ensuring the .....
if there is NO comma, it modifies the preceding noun, as in this case
his army eventually SUFFERING.......
SO the modifier is modifying ARMY here
Then what about : " his army eventually......" here we come to the point two

2) "his army eventually suffering ....." is a NOUN modifier which is modifying the NOUN of the preceding clause..
something like :- his head held high, he walked into the rome.
But here it is not supposed to be acting in that way, because the phrase is the RESULT of preceding clause and is NOT to modify a noun.

For the above reason, although usage of suffering is ok, the choice D itself is wrong

so what should be the OA
C.and as a result, his army eventually would suffer
Now here we are talking of his defensive posture THAT would ultimately result in his defeat..
so WOULD is correctly used to talk of a future of event that si already over..
As a result - conveys the meaning correctly

ans C

Bunuel could you please check OA for typo, it should be C
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Hi Bunuel

I saw this question here.
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I went in for D. But according to Mike's reply it seemed that the OA is C. Could you please confirm?

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Hi Bunuel

I saw this question here.
https://gmatclub.com/forum/magoosh-prac ... 51276.html

I went in for D. But according to Mike's reply it seemed that the OA is C. Could you please confirm?

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Bunuel wrote:
Gen. Joseph Hooker initially seized the advantage at the Battle of Chancellorsville, but despite having an army twice the size of Gen. Lee's confederates, he lost his nerve and settled into a more defensive posture, with the result that his army would suffer a humiliating defeat.


A. with the result that his army would suffer

B. eventually with his army suffering

C. and as a result, his army eventually would suffer

D. his army eventually suffering

E. which eventually caused his army to suffer



rahulkashyap,
few points:-

1) Verb+ing modifier is not related to tense or a time frame. it's role would depend on COMMA
if there is a comma, the modifier tells us about the preceding clause
he worked very hard, ensuring the .....
if there is NO comma, it modifies the preceding noun, as in this case
his army eventually SUFFERING.......
SO the modifier is modifying ARMY here
Then what about : " his army eventually......" here we come to the point two

2) "his army eventually suffering ....." is a NOUN modifier which is modifying the NOUN of the preceding clause..
something like :- his head held high, he walked into the rome.
But here it is not supposed to be acting in that way, because the phrase is the RESULT of preceding clause and is NOT to modify a noun.

For the above reason, although usage of suffering is ok, the choice D itself is wrong

so what should be the OA
C.and as a result, his army eventually would suffer
Now here we are talking of his defensive posture THAT would ultimately result in his defeat..
so WOULD is correctly used to talk of a future of event that si already over..
As a result - conveys the meaning correctly

ans C

Bunuel could you please check OA for typo, it should be C


Hi Chetan ,
Although i understood why choice D is incorrect after reading your intricate analysis, i have some problem with the usage of would. I was not able to identify that C is correct as i thought that use of would is wrong.
The author already knows about defeat they why did he use would?
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chetan2u wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
Gen. Joseph Hooker initially seized the advantage at the Battle of Chancellorsville, but despite having an army twice the size of Gen. Lee's confederates, he lost his nerve and settled into a more defensive posture, with the result that his army would suffer a humiliating defeat.


A. with the result that his army would suffer

B. eventually with his army suffering

C. and as a result, his army eventually would suffer

D. his army eventually suffering

E. which eventually caused his army to suffer



rahulkashyap,
few points:-

1) Verb+ing modifier is not related to tense or a time frame. it's role would depend on COMMA
if there is a comma, the modifier tells us about the preceding clause
he worked very hard, ensuring the .....
if there is NO comma, it modifies the preceding noun, as in this case
his army eventually SUFFERING.......
SO the modifier is modifying ARMY here
Then what about : " his army eventually......" here we come to the point two

2) "his army eventually suffering ....." is a NOUN modifier which is modifying the NOUN of the preceding clause..
something like :- his head held high, he walked into the rome.
But here it is not supposed to be acting in that way, because the phrase is the RESULT of preceding clause and is NOT to modify a noun.

For the above reason, although usage of suffering is ok, the choice D itself is wrong

so what should be the OA
C.and as a result, his army eventually would suffer
Now here we are talking of his defensive posture THAT would ultimately result in his defeat..
so WOULD is correctly used to talk of a future of event that si already over..
As a result - conveys the meaning correctly

ans C

Bunuel could you please check OA for typo, it should be C


Hi Chetan ,
Although i understood why choice D is incorrect after reading your intricate analysis, i have some problem with the usage of would. I was not able to identify that C is correct as i thought that use of would is wrong.
The author already knows about defeat they why did he use would?


Hi!
Read the following explanation by Mike.

The focus of the sentence is what we might call the "set-up" or initial phases of the Battle of Chancellorsville. (BTW, that entire Wikipedia article would be an excellent example of something you could read for practice!!) The time period on which the sentence focuses is the beginning of this battle, so from that perspective, the end of the battle would be something in the future. If a "fortune teller" had met Gen. Hooker at the beginning of the battle, this fortune teller might have told him "Your army will suffer a humiliating defeat." From that particular time, the defeat would have been in the future. Since the time on which the sentence is focused is in the past, the future of that past event, which is now another past event, is denoted with "would."
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The whole question is in past tense context. However option C is introducing future tense. Please help me in clarifying this doubt.
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B. eventually with his army suffering
Is B not correct? previous clause action i.e. the defensive posture resulted in the loss?

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Bunuel wrote:
Gen. Joseph Hooker initially seized the advantage at the Battle of Chancellorsville, but despite having an army twice the size of Gen. Lee's confederates, he lost his nerve and settled into a more defensive posture, with the result that his army would suffer a humiliating defeat.


A. with the result that his army would suffer

B. eventually with his army suffering

C. and as a result, his army eventually would suffer

D. his army eventually suffering

E. which eventually caused his army to suffer



rahulkashyap,
few points:-

1) Verb+ing modifier is not related to tense or a time frame. it's role would depend on COMMA
if there is a comma, the modifier tells us about the preceding clause
he worked very hard, ensuring the .....
if there is NO comma, it modifies the preceding noun, as in this case
his army eventually SUFFERING.......
SO the modifier is modifying ARMY here
Then what about : " his army eventually......" here we come to the point two

2) "his army eventually suffering ....." is a NOUN modifier which is modifying the NOUN of the preceding clause..
something like :- his head held high, he walked into the rome.
But here it is not supposed to be acting in that way, because the phrase is the RESULT of preceding clause and is NOT to modify a noun.

For the above reason, although usage of suffering is ok, the choice D itself is wrong

so what should be the OA
C.and as a result, his army eventually would suffer
Now here we are talking of his defensive posture THAT would ultimately result in his defeat..
so WOULD is correctly used to talk of a future of event that si already over..
As a result - conveys the meaning correctly

ans C

Bunuel could you please check OA for typo, it should be C

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Gen. Joseph Hooker initially seized the advantage at the Battle of Chancellorsville, but despite having an army twice the size of Gen. Lee's confederates, he lost his nerve and settled into a more defensive posture, with the result that his army would suffer a humiliating defeat.


A. with the result that his army would suffer

B. eventually with his army suffering

C. and as a result, his army eventually would suffer --> correct

D. his army eventually suffering

E. which eventually caused his army to suffer
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B. eventually with his army suffering
Is B not correct? previous clause action i.e. the defensive posture resulted in the loss?

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Bunuel wrote:
Gen. Joseph Hooker initially seized the advantage at the Battle of Chancellorsville, but despite having an army twice the size of Gen. Lee's confederates, he lost his nerve and settled into a more defensive posture, with the result that his army would suffer a humiliating defeat.


A. with the result that his army would suffer

B. eventually with his army suffering

C. and as a result, his army eventually would suffer

D. his army eventually suffering

E. which eventually caused his army to suffer



rahulkashyap,
few points:-

1) Verb+ing modifier is not related to tense or a time frame. it's role would depend on COMMA
if there is a comma, the modifier tells us about the preceding clause
he worked very hard, ensuring the .....
if there is NO comma, it modifies the preceding noun, as in this case
his army eventually SUFFERING.......
SO the modifier is modifying ARMY here
Then what about : " his army eventually......" here we come to the point two

2) "his army eventually suffering ....." is a NOUN modifier which is modifying the NOUN of the preceding clause..
something like :- his head held high, he walked into the rome.
But here it is not supposed to be acting in that way, because the phrase is the RESULT of preceding clause and is NOT to modify a noun.

For the above reason, although usage of suffering is ok, the choice D itself is wrong

so what should be the OA
C.and as a result, his army eventually would suffer
Now here we are talking of his defensive posture THAT would ultimately result in his defeat..
so WOULD is correctly used to talk of a future of event that si already over..
As a result - conveys the meaning correctly

ans C

Bunuel could you please check OA for typo, it should be C


Hi..

Reasons for B to be wrong..
1) placement of EVENTUALLY:- eventually should be close to suffering as logically here it should modify suffering. eventually suffering ....
2) second and the main reason is structure - with+noun+participle
There are many instances where this structure is not correct in OG. This structure cannot modify the preceding clause as it does here. It can at themax be used as adding some details on the subject of the main clause.
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@gmatninja,chetan2u, can you please give the reasoning for chosing C.I marked the answer as E,since would in option C was not in right tense according to me
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