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20 May 2017, 13:13
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Does anybody know if the PRs compete with international students or USA citizens during the admission process ? I see a big difference in number of slots available for international students and those for the US citizens. I am really curious to know which bucket they will assign me as a PR.
20 May 2017, 14:51
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Interesting question indeed. I think you just found a loophole.
Technically you are a citizen of another country. However, you do have an SSN, credit history, and potentially even can qualify for Financial Aid through FAFSA, and when you enter the US, apply for a job or really do most things, you are grouped with the US Citizens. There is very little difference between the two indeed.
Based on my research, schools seem to treat PR's differently - some have 3 categories, some group them with Internationals and I am sure some even put permanent residents in the same category as US citizens. So the answer may shift depending on the school. However, in the majority of cases, I think you will be considered an international applicant since in rankings (e.g. US News, the delineation is specifically US Citizens vs. Foreign Nationals). This is a positive as you are a "safe" international applicant. You won't have issues with H1B or finaid.
Your advantages vs. other international applicants:
1. You can apply later and usually in the last deadline while international applicants usually are precluded due to visa from applying in the last round
2. You may be perceived as more competitive/desired applicant since you won't have the challenges of H1B crippling you after graduation
3. You can finance your education easier and borrow money from a variety of sources
P.S. Do you see less competition in the US side of things and more on the International side? If there is a school you have in mind, I would reach out to the Admissions team and ask them which category you would be considered under (probably have to give a bit of background - did you get your green card at the age of 3 or 23).
Technically you are a citizen of another country. However, you do have an SSN, credit history, and potentially even can qualify for Financial Aid through FAFSA, and when you enter the US, apply for a job or really do most things, you are grouped with the US Citizens. There is very little difference between the two indeed.
Based on my research, schools seem to treat PR's differently - some have 3 categories, some group them with Internationals and I am sure some even put permanent residents in the same category as US citizens. So the answer may shift depending on the school. However, in the majority of cases, I think you will be considered an international applicant since in rankings (e.g. US News, the delineation is specifically US Citizens vs. Foreign Nationals). This is a positive as you are a "safe" international applicant. You won't have issues with H1B or finaid.
Your advantages vs. other international applicants:
1. You can apply later and usually in the last deadline while international applicants usually are precluded due to visa from applying in the last round
2. You may be perceived as more competitive/desired applicant since you won't have the challenges of H1B crippling you after graduation
3. You can finance your education easier and borrow money from a variety of sources
P.S. Do you see less competition in the US side of things and more on the International side? If there is a school you have in mind, I would reach out to the Admissions team and ask them which category you would be considered under (probably have to give a bit of background - did you get your green card at the age of 3 or 23).
20 May 2017, 16:01
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Well, bb, there are some other factors that play important roles.
Not every Permanent Resident has equal chance of getting warm welcome by schools. For example, i wear a hat like the one you described: in my late thirty as an applicant and originally from Afghanistan, my qualifications are not considered marketable and perhaps even saleable to the job market in the United States.
During last two years, i've been going to many events in New York city, not all schools treated me equally. Some universities right off the bat would say, we don't consider your qualification, and post graduate career aspiration a good fit for our universities.
All i want to say, it depends where do you come from and what is in your resume. If one comes from India and has worked in an Aerospace industry compared to another one, such as me, who only managed to survive and made progress step by step and little by little, the odd of admission is not really comparable.
Not every Permanent Resident has equal chance of getting warm welcome by schools. For example, i wear a hat like the one you described: in my late thirty as an applicant and originally from Afghanistan, my qualifications are not considered marketable and perhaps even saleable to the job market in the United States.
During last two years, i've been going to many events in New York city, not all schools treated me equally. Some universities right off the bat would say, we don't consider your qualification, and post graduate career aspiration a good fit for our universities.
All i want to say, it depends where do you come from and what is in your resume. If one comes from India and has worked in an Aerospace industry compared to another one, such as me, who only managed to survive and made progress step by step and little by little, the odd of admission is not really comparable.
