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totoma97
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Concentration: Accounting, General Management
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05 Jun 2020, 08:18
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Queen's Smith School of Business , Ivey Business School or HEC Montreal?
06 Jun 2020, 07:06
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Hi totoma97,
If you've been accepted into any of these schools. Congratulations. They're great Canadian business schools, which will provide you a great number of opportunities to pursue after you finish your school.
I can speak about Queen and Ivey because I did my MBA at Ivey and have quite a few friends who did their MBA at Queens. I also visited Queen's and was accepted there as well. HEC is also a good school, although I don't have as much experience with it.
Ivey:
Ivey is considered one of the best business schools in Canada, and very well regarded. It has the most alumni in C-Suite positions out of all the business school. However that is not the only metric to evaluate a business school. At our graduation, Dave McKay (CEO and President of RBC - the largest bank in Canada) spoke to us. Bill Morneau who is the Finance Minister of Canada (appointed by PM Justin Trudeau) is an alumni of Ivey (undergrad). Charles Sousa the former finance minister in Ontario is an Ivey grad. Kevin O Leary (who often appears on Shark Tank as Mr. Wonderful although quite embarrassing at times with his style of deal making) did his MBA there. Just to name a few.
Here is a list of recent Ivey Grads from Ivey's website. You can see the make up of a class and demographics:
https://www.ivey.uwo.ca/mba/student-lif ... graduates/
Few other positives about Ivey is that it is a tight knit community. Small cohort. Ivey uses the case method which helps you prepare for Cases in consulting interviews. It has a great number of clubs. It is located 2 hours away from Toronto. Which can be challenging at times, but its a great mix between able to join your MBA away from distractions and being able to go to interviews and coffee chats when necessary. Class discussions are engaging, the quality of cases is quite high. Its career centre is considered one of the best in the country. Also, surprisingly Ivey is the 2nd largest publisher of cases behind Harvard. It publishes a lot so you get to learn from professors writing the cases.
Cons:
Too much focus on Consulting and not enough on Technology. There are no electives focusing on FinTech or Blockchain or AI. Great electives for consulting (Strategy), marketing, finance, operations).
Its a one year MBA, so it is intense and there's no time for slack. Also more pressure in term of career management.
Your contributions in class are graded and can sometimes be frustrating in the first few weeks when you're trying to be heard and impacts your grades, which some recruiters look at.
There are no great options to live near campus so most of the class lives 15-20 mins away in Downtown.
They have recently increased the class size by 20%-30%. Means fewer career management resources for each person.
No name recognition outside of Canada. Same applies for Queen's. However HEC has a much more name recognition because of HEC Paris.
Lack of options for exchange (Esade, NUS, Bocconi (not SDA).... I went to ESADE in Barcelona Spain which was great however because of the 1 year format, you can't quite take advantage of the exchange option - for most not an option. Queens might have an option to do at Cornell, which might be great. Look at these. Ivey had some incoming exchange students from Esade, Indian School of Business, NUS i think.... But When I was at Esade, I learned that they had the option to do exchange at Wharton (although 1-2 spots), which would've been incredible if Ivey offered it. Neither Queen nor Ivey are great in this regard.
Queen:
Great business school. Lots of notable alumni. One of the most respected business schools in Canada and very well regarded. Lots of alumni is C-suite positions.
Has a QUAAF fund, which students interested in Finance can run. Ivey lack this option - although it has a solid Value Investing Centre but no fund.
Option to combine the MBA with an Analytics degree. Which I imagine, would make it much easier for an international student to get a job.
Has an option to do a Sustainability Certificate for those interested in pursuing this option. Can extend your MBA for 3 months I believe, so you don't have to finish school in Dec.
Smaller class compared to Ivey. Which has both pros and cons. Means fewer alumni to reach out to, but that means you also have less competition.
Lower tuition. Slightly lower cost of living than in London, since Kingston is smaller and very much a University town. Lots of options to live nearby.
A lot of a things that apply to Ivey apply to Queen as well:
One year, intense experience. No internship. Small tight-knit community.
It places a lot of its student in large Canadian banks and Consulting firms.
Ivey has a slight edge in consulting because of its case method. However you would have similar opportunities to make it at large firms from both schools.
It starts in Jan as opposed to March for Ivey. So finishing school in April (Ivey) is better finishing in Dec/Jan - which makes it harder to network.
It all depends on which culture you prefer and the type of network you want to be associated with. I don't think you can go wrong with Ivey or Queen's if you're planning on living in Canada.
HEC Montreal is in Quebec. Hence it is in a completely different category. I think if you want to live in Quebec (Montreal), it might be a great option. I haven't come across a lot of HEC Montreal grads over the years. HEC Montreal has big competition in McGill (Desautels - B School). Which is widely considered one of the best schools in Canada. So HEC would be at a slight disadvantage to McGill students because it has a very strong brand and recruiter would give preference to those students.
I would say seriously look at Ivey/Queen as both are great options if you want to live in Toronto (financial hub and 2nd biggest financial district in North America after NYC). If you want to live in Quebec, give HEC Montreal a serious thought.
Hope this helps.
Good luck!
If you've been accepted into any of these schools. Congratulations. They're great Canadian business schools, which will provide you a great number of opportunities to pursue after you finish your school.
I can speak about Queen and Ivey because I did my MBA at Ivey and have quite a few friends who did their MBA at Queens. I also visited Queen's and was accepted there as well. HEC is also a good school, although I don't have as much experience with it.
Ivey:
Ivey is considered one of the best business schools in Canada, and very well regarded. It has the most alumni in C-Suite positions out of all the business school. However that is not the only metric to evaluate a business school. At our graduation, Dave McKay (CEO and President of RBC - the largest bank in Canada) spoke to us. Bill Morneau who is the Finance Minister of Canada (appointed by PM Justin Trudeau) is an alumni of Ivey (undergrad). Charles Sousa the former finance minister in Ontario is an Ivey grad. Kevin O Leary (who often appears on Shark Tank as Mr. Wonderful although quite embarrassing at times with his style of deal making) did his MBA there. Just to name a few.
Here is a list of recent Ivey Grads from Ivey's website. You can see the make up of a class and demographics:
https://www.ivey.uwo.ca/mba/student-lif ... graduates/
Few other positives about Ivey is that it is a tight knit community. Small cohort. Ivey uses the case method which helps you prepare for Cases in consulting interviews. It has a great number of clubs. It is located 2 hours away from Toronto. Which can be challenging at times, but its a great mix between able to join your MBA away from distractions and being able to go to interviews and coffee chats when necessary. Class discussions are engaging, the quality of cases is quite high. Its career centre is considered one of the best in the country. Also, surprisingly Ivey is the 2nd largest publisher of cases behind Harvard. It publishes a lot so you get to learn from professors writing the cases.
Cons:
Too much focus on Consulting and not enough on Technology. There are no electives focusing on FinTech or Blockchain or AI. Great electives for consulting (Strategy), marketing, finance, operations).
Its a one year MBA, so it is intense and there's no time for slack. Also more pressure in term of career management.
Your contributions in class are graded and can sometimes be frustrating in the first few weeks when you're trying to be heard and impacts your grades, which some recruiters look at.
There are no great options to live near campus so most of the class lives 15-20 mins away in Downtown.
They have recently increased the class size by 20%-30%. Means fewer career management resources for each person.
No name recognition outside of Canada. Same applies for Queen's. However HEC has a much more name recognition because of HEC Paris.
Lack of options for exchange (Esade, NUS, Bocconi (not SDA).... I went to ESADE in Barcelona Spain which was great however because of the 1 year format, you can't quite take advantage of the exchange option - for most not an option. Queens might have an option to do at Cornell, which might be great. Look at these. Ivey had some incoming exchange students from Esade, Indian School of Business, NUS i think.... But When I was at Esade, I learned that they had the option to do exchange at Wharton (although 1-2 spots), which would've been incredible if Ivey offered it. Neither Queen nor Ivey are great in this regard.
Queen:
Great business school. Lots of notable alumni. One of the most respected business schools in Canada and very well regarded. Lots of alumni is C-suite positions.
Has a QUAAF fund, which students interested in Finance can run. Ivey lack this option - although it has a solid Value Investing Centre but no fund.
Option to combine the MBA with an Analytics degree. Which I imagine, would make it much easier for an international student to get a job.
Has an option to do a Sustainability Certificate for those interested in pursuing this option. Can extend your MBA for 3 months I believe, so you don't have to finish school in Dec.
Smaller class compared to Ivey. Which has both pros and cons. Means fewer alumni to reach out to, but that means you also have less competition.
Lower tuition. Slightly lower cost of living than in London, since Kingston is smaller and very much a University town. Lots of options to live nearby.
A lot of a things that apply to Ivey apply to Queen as well:
One year, intense experience. No internship. Small tight-knit community.
It places a lot of its student in large Canadian banks and Consulting firms.
Ivey has a slight edge in consulting because of its case method. However you would have similar opportunities to make it at large firms from both schools.
It starts in Jan as opposed to March for Ivey. So finishing school in April (Ivey) is better finishing in Dec/Jan - which makes it harder to network.
It all depends on which culture you prefer and the type of network you want to be associated with. I don't think you can go wrong with Ivey or Queen's if you're planning on living in Canada.
HEC Montreal is in Quebec. Hence it is in a completely different category. I think if you want to live in Quebec (Montreal), it might be a great option. I haven't come across a lot of HEC Montreal grads over the years. HEC Montreal has big competition in McGill (Desautels - B School). Which is widely considered one of the best schools in Canada. So HEC would be at a slight disadvantage to McGill students because it has a very strong brand and recruiter would give preference to those students.
I would say seriously look at Ivey/Queen as both are great options if you want to live in Toronto (financial hub and 2nd biggest financial district in North America after NYC). If you want to live in Quebec, give HEC Montreal a serious thought.
Hope this helps.
Good luck!
DivyanshuGupta61
06 Jun 2020, 15:49
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jkolachi
Hello
Thank you for sharing your views on the Canadian schools,
1. Could you shed some light on the Schulich Business School, York University and
2. As McGill is in Quebec, which is a French dominated city, is it necessary or recommended to know French if one intends to apply for this school?
