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New post 21 May 2014, 21:13
Dear Russ,

You could go by the logical meaning. How did she turn the tide of victories?--by liberating, and not by persuading. Persuading someone doesn't secure a victory--liberating does.

But you could also have rejected the options starting with "persuading". One persuades someone else, so in C and E, "Charles" should have come immediately after "persuading".

Finally, the use of a "that" after "persuading" (when a noun immediately follows the other supposedly parallel fragment, "liberating") should have raised a flag: are the portions really parallel?

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New post 21 May 2014, 21:31
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Hi All,

I know that this was touched in many of the previous post's but I still have a question:

Ignoring other idiom issues, I ended up with "e" because i made the error of making "liberating" parallel to "persuading". I did this because I read backwards from "and" and made both ends of "and" parallel (Liberating and persuading).

How would I have known to go and make "turned" parallel to the second half?





Hi russ9,

Let’s try to figure out the difference in the original sentence and options D & E.


Joan of Arc, a young Frenchwoman
who claimed to be divinely inspired,
o turned the tide of English victories in her country by liberating the city of Orleans
• and she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne.


MEANING

• The sentence tells us that a young Frenchwoman Joan of Arc turned the tide of English victories in her country. How did she do so? By liberating the city of Orleans.

o By the way, she claimed to be divinely inspired.

• Also, she persuaded Charles VII to claim his throne.


So, Joan of Arc did two things:
1. Turned the tide of English victories.
2. Persuaded Charles VII to claim his throne.



Now, let’s consider option E.

Joan of Arc, a young Frenchwoman who claimed to be divinely inspired, turned the tide of English victories in her country
• by
o liberating the city of Orleans
o and persuading that Charles VII of France should claim his throne.


MEANING

• Joan of Arc turned the tide of English victories. How did she do so?

o By liberating the city of Orleans.

o And by persuading that Charles VII of France should claim his throne.



ERRORS

1. Now, it’s not clear from the sentence whom did Joan of Arc persuade?

2. Also, the action of persuading did not turn the tide of English victories. It was the action of liberating the city of Orleans that turned the tide.

3. ‘persuade’ is a verb that requires a use of infinitive (to + verb).


I persuaded him that he should go abroad for higher studies. (Incorrect)

I persuaded him to go abroad for higher studies. (Correct)


Option D corrects all these errors. (Note the use of ‘persuaded …. to claim’)

Joan of Arc, a young Frenchwoman who claimed to be divinely inspired,
o turned the tide of English victories in her country by liberating the city of Orleans
o and persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne.


TAKE AWAYS

Our main focus should be on the intended meaning of the sentence. Specially in case of verb-ing modifiers, it becomes more important to focus on the meaning.


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Joan of Arc, a young Frenchwoman who claimed to be divinely inspired, turned the tide of English victories in her country by liberating the city of Orleans and she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne.

(A) she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne
(B) persuaded Charles VII of France in claiming his throne
(C) persuading that the throne be claimed by Charles VII of France
(D) persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne
(E) persuading that Charles VII of France should claim the throne


in this context. "she" in A can be understand to be another person, not Joan.

this is one important point to see.

but in other context, a pronoun as subject of following clause can refer to subject of preceding clause.
in many questions form og, we have this case and the pronouns become not ambiguous.

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we see , in many og questions, the pronoun in the second clause appear in oa. This case proves that not keeping the subject is preference not absolute rule
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Joan of Arc, a young Frenchwoman who claimed to be divinely inspired, turned the tide of English victories in her country by liberating the city of Orleans and she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne.

the sentence construction is as follows :-

Joan of Arc,------, turned-------- and she persuaded-----.

the sentence construction should be :-


Joan of Arc,------, turned-------- and persuaded-----.

so strike off A,C & E.

so idiomatically D is the answer.


Try to convert passive voice to active. JoA liberated the city of New Orleans, JoA turned the tide, JoA persuaded Charles.
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Shouldn't there be a COMMA before AND to make it parallel? Without the comma I read "Joan ... turned ... by liberating and persuaded"
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You mean that there should be a comma before 'and,' which is not underlined? Why would anyone bother about a non-underlined part?
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Joan of Arc, a young Frenchwoman who claimed to be divinely inspired, turned the tide of English victories in her country by liberating the city of Orleans and she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne.

(A) she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne
(B) persuaded Charles VII of France in claiming his throne
(C) persuading that the throne be claimed by Charles VII of France
(D) persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne
(E) persuading that Charles VII of France should claim the throne


As far I know SC is the beauty contest taught by Ron. But, I did not get any beauty contest in this correct answer option (D). Here is given the short version of B and D.
B) Joan of Arc turned the tide of English victories by liberating the city and persuaded Charles VII of France in claiming his throne
D) Joan of Arc turned the tide of English victories by liberating the city and persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne
Despite the red color failed to make beauty of the sentence, D is the correct answer. But How is it possible?
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Joan of Arc, a young Frenchwoman who claimed to be divinely inspired, turned the tide of English victories in her country by liberating the city of Orleans and she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne.

(A) she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne
(B) persuaded Charles VII of France in claiming his throne
(C) persuading that the throne be claimed by Charles VII of France
(D) persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne
(E) persuading that Charles VII of France should claim the throne


A This independent clause is incorrect because the verb "Charles VII" already shares the subject of sentence ("Joan of Arc") with the prior element in the list. We know this phrase isn't an independent clause because it's not preceded by a comma + conjunction.
B "Persuade ... in" is not idiomatic.
C "Persuading" is not parallel with "turned."
D Correct.
E "Persuading" is not parallel with turned.
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Hello all,

I have a question/doubt in this question

Why not liberating is in parallel with persuading ?
It can be viewed as Joan of arc turned the tide of english victories in her country by doing two tasks :

1. by liberating the city of orleans
2. by persuading charles VII of france to claim his throne.

Why these two things not in parallel ??, and thus why C is not an answer??

Yes , C and E have an idiom error, but if we fix the idiom error, they may be the answer ?. So , my basic question is , why the above two are not parallel??

Hope somone would answer my query !! :( :( Confused


Hi ashish,

i think you just misinterpreted the meaning of the sentence:
original sentence:
Joan of Arc, a young Frenchwoman who claimed to be divinely inspired, turned the tide of English victories in her country by liberating the city of Orleans and she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne.

in this the highlited part is a noun modifier and is modifying the noun JOAN OF ARC....now youmust know that a sentence must convey its meaning gramatically without its modifier...so lets remove the modifier part.'
sentence becomes:
Joan of Arc TURNED the tide of English victories in her country by liberating the city of Orleans AND she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne.
now if you see here in this sentence....you can figure out that SHE is refering to JOAN OF ARC....
SO joan of arc TURNED ..........AND JOAN OF ARC PERSUADED.......
now whenever you have a parallelism marker such as AND here....then both sides must be parallel...
MOREOVER whenever you have two actions(verb)...and 1 subject then you must always connect those verb by a conjunction and always remove the subject of second part ..because it will be redundant and hence wrong gramatically.


so here you focus in order to correct the sentence should be.....make the two verbs ...turned and persuaded ..parallel
connect them properly by a conjunction such as AND
REMOVE THE SUBJECT OF THE SECOND PART...means remove SHE from second pa
rt.
so till now must have understood thet here we dont have to make liberating and persuading parallel...
rather
we have to make two verbs parallel..
all this error are removed in option D
(D) persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne...

HOPE IT HELPS..


Thanks a lot for the lucid explanation.
Can anyone please provide link for similar type of questions.
Also share some useful tips to avoid superficial parallelism.
Do we need to focus on meaning only to avoid such type of mistakes?
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Joan of Arc, a young Frenchwoman who claimed to be divinely inspired, turned the tide of English victories in her country by liberating the city of Orleans and she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne.

(A) she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne - two ICs “Joan of Arc turned…” and “she persuaded…” are connected using “and” -- This is incorrect ; to rectify the error we can remove she

(B) persuaded Charles VII of France in claiming his throne - the expression “in claiming” is unidiomatic

(C) persuading that the throne be claimed by Charles VII of France - This choice makes “persuading” parallel to “liberating”. This is not the intended meaning of the sentence. Turning the tide of victories has nothing to do with persuading.

(D) persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne - Correct

(E) persuading that Charles VII of France should claim the throne -- same as C ; usage of “should” with a subjunctive verb “persuading”.

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problem in choice A is that
"she" dosenot seemingly refer to Jone arc. why we add 'she" to make confusion./

this point is more basic than "COMMA+FANBOYS". I dont think gmat test comma+fansboy.
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Hi betterscore,

Thank you for your question. Let's start by finding the most obvious differences between each answer and narrowing things down from there.

The first thing that jumped out after glancing over this quickly is the difference between persuaded/persuading. This is a case of using parallel format between both actions Joan of Arc does: "turned the tide of the English victories" and "persuaded Charles VII." These both need to be in past tense to be parallel, so let's rule out the answers that use "persuading": C & E.

Next, let's get rid of answer A because the added pronoun "she" is confusing and unnecessary. It might mislead readers to think Joan of Arc turned the tide, but some other woman persuaded Charles VII.

Finally, we're left with answers B & D. Let's break down what each answer really means:

B: persuaded Charles VII of France in claiming his throne
This is an indirect way of saying this, and could be confusing for readers. Readers might mistake this to mean Joan of Arc would be taking the throne and not the king.

D: persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne
This is the CORRECT answer because it's clear and concise. There is no mistaking what the sentence means, and it uses parallel format.
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thangvietnam wrote:
problem in choice A is that
"she" dosenot seemingly refer to Jone arc. why we add 'she" to make confusion./

this point is more basic than "COMMA+FANBOYS". I dont think gmat test comma+fansboy.



Hello thangvietnam,

I do not quite agree to your analysis.

In this official sentence, the name of only one woman is mentioned - Joan of Arc. Hence Joan of Arc is the only logical noun antecedent for the pronoun she.

The sentence most certainly has the structure error. The two independent clauses have been connected just be and. Such connection is certainly an error on GMAT SC. GMAT SC does test the correct usage of connectors in such cases.


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oan of Arc, a young Frenchwoman who claimed to be divinely inspired, turned the tide of English victories in her country by liberating the city of Orleans and she persuaded Charles VII of France to claim his throne.

We can't connect 2 ICs with and.
We must use ,and ((comma and FANBOY conjunction)
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An important thumb rule to follow while handling compound sentences is the omission of the subject in the second IC, if the subject of first IC can fit in as well as the subject. Here the subject of both the ICs is Joan and hence you can drop the pronoun – she - in the second IC. The whole sentence will still be //. Secondly, the right idiom is to claim. Both these combinations, you find in choice D only


Sir, Please explain why in claiming is wrong?
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An important thumb rule to follow while handling compound sentences is the omission of the subject in the second IC, if the subject of first IC can fit in as well as the subject. Here the subject of both the ICs is Joan and hence you can drop the pronoun – she - in the second IC. The whole sentence will still be //. Secondly, the right idiom is to claim. Both these combinations, you find in choice D only


Sir, Please explain why in claiming is wrong?

Hi Priyansha7, I believe Sir meant that persuade someone to do something is correct idiom, whereas persuade someone in doing something is not.
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