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Published since 1851, the founders of the New York Times were Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience.

(A) Published since 1851, the founders of the New York Times were Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience.
(B) Published since 1851, Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience, were the founders of the New York Times.
(C) Published since 1851, the New York Times was founded by George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience, and Henry Jarvis Raymond.
(D) The New York Times was founded by Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience, and published since 1851.
(E) The founders being Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience, the New York Times has been published since 1851.
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Published since 1851, the founders of the New York Times were Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience.


Meaning Analysis
1. New york times is published since 1851 and It was founded by HJR and GJ. GJ had no previous Journalism Exp.

Error :
1. Modifier Error: "Published since 1851" Modifies "Founder of NYT". Founders cannot be published, Modifier should Modify NYT. So we have misplaced Modifier here.


(A) Published since 1851, the founders of the New York Times were Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience.
Incorrect - Modifier Error (Discussed in Error analysis)

(B) Published since 1851, Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience, were the founders of the New York Times.
Incorrect - Modifier Error (Discussed in Error analysis)


(C) Published since 1851, the New York Times was founded by George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience, and Henry Jarvis Raymond.
Correct
1. Modifier - "Published since 1851" Correctly modifies "NYT". "Who had no.." correctly modifies "GJ"
2. Preferred Direct Speech " NYT was founded" instead of "Founders of NYT"


(D) The New York Times was founded by Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience, and published since 1851.
Error - "Published" is acting as Ved Modifier instead of "Verb" (Since NYT cannot be doer of action, publishing )

(E) The founders being Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience, the New York Times has been published since 1851.
Incorrect construction, Being is used Without any hints about current ongoing action.

Option C
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Two things here; the first is modification--- published since 1851 should be immediately followed by New York Times. Choice C does that steadfastly among the first three choices. Second issue is whether the relative clause starting with ‘who’ refers to George alone or both Henry and George? As per relative pronoun touch rule, ‘who’ must refer to George alone and not both. Yet again only choice C brings it out correctly.
Coincidentally, does one remember the very popular ‘ Published in Harlem” example from OG?
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Two things here; the first is modification--- published since 1851 should be immediately followed by New York Times. Choice C does that steadfastly among the first three choices. Second issue is whether the relative clause starting with ‘who’ refers to George alone or both Henry and George? As per relative pronoun touch rule, ‘who’ must refer to George alone and not both. Yet again only choice C brings it out correctly.
Coincidentally, does one remember the very popular ‘ Published in Harlem” example from OG?


Yep, I had a felling that I already saw this question but can't remember where. Looks like Veritas changed the names and included this question in their book.
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option D is the correct answer.
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Published since 1851, the founders of the New York Times were Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience.

As the entire sentence is underlined, modification issues should be prominent. In the given sentence, the phrase "who had no previous..." refers to ? It can refer to either one of HJR or GJ or even to both. Without proper placement of the modifier phrase, the sentence is ambiguous.

(A) Published since 1851, the founders of the New York Times were Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience.
Incorrect as mentioned above.

(B) Published since 1851, Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience, were the founders of the New York Times.
Incorrect, "Published since 1851" is modifying HJR and GJ whiel it should modify The NY Times. Modification error in this sentence.

(C) Published since 1851, the New York Times was founded by George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience, and Henry Jarvis Raymond.
Correct. Proper modification. "Published..." modifies the NY Times and "who had ..." clearly modifies GJ.

(D) The New York Times was founded by Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience, and published since 1851.
Incorrect. "and published since 1851" should be next to the NY times and not far away. Errors from the original sentence are carried over to this sentence as well.

(E) The founders being Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience, the New York Times has been published since 1851
Incorrect. Errors similar to the ones from A. Awkward construction.
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I shortlisted C although dismissed it because Who refereed to only 1 person in 'C' although in the original statement it referred to both the founders.

You mentioned a relative pronoun touch rule. Could you please elaborate why Who should infact only refer to only 1 of the founders and not both?

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Two things here; the first is modification--- published since 1851 should be immediately followed by New York Times. Choice C does that steadfastly among the first three choices. Second issue is whether the relative clause starting with ‘who’ refers to George alone or both Henry and George? As per relative pronoun touch rule, ‘who’ must refer to George alone and not both. Yet again only choice C brings it out correctly.
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I shortlisted C although dismissed it because Who refereed to only 1 person in 'C' although in the original statement it referred to both the founders.

You mentioned a relative pronoun touch rule. Could you please elaborate why Who should infact only refer to only 1 of the founders and not both?

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Two things here; the first is modification--- published since 1851 should be immediately followed by New York Times. Choice C does that steadfastly among the first three choices. Second issue is whether the relative clause starting with ‘who’ refers to George alone or both Henry and George? As per relative pronoun touch rule, ‘who’ must refer to George alone and not both. Yet again only choice C brings it out correctly.
Coincidentally, does one remember the very popular ‘ Published in Harlem” example from OG?


Let me try to explain. Pronoun touch rule mentions that any pronoun (after comma) can only refer to the closest noun (similar to "...., which...", in this case which 'usually' refers to the noun just before comma) . In this particular question, 'who' is next to GJ and should thus refer to GJ only. But even if you forget this rule, there is a blatant modifier error in (A) with "Published since 1851, the founders of the New York Times...", the phrase published since 1851 should modify the word right after the comma but in this case it modifies "the founders" and this usage is illogical .
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The relevance of pronoun referring to either a single noun or a compound noun connected by a conjunction is more by logic and context than by any specific rule; The touch rule only says that the relative pronoun should touch the noun before and instances of the pronoun touching a compound subject or object are rare or nil, as far as I remember. But I will look forward to some official cases on this.
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The relevance of pronoun referring to either a single noun or a compound noun connected by a conjunction is more by logic and context than by any specific rule; The touch rule only says that the relative pronoun should touch the noun before and instances of the pronoun touching a compound subject or object are rare or nil, as far as I remember. But I will look forward to some official cases on this.


In NYtimes I found examples like these:
"Javier Hernandez and defender Hector Moreno, who both withdrew" or
"Kyle Larson and Ricky Stenhouse Jr., who both raced against"

So maybe such construction: "Javier Hernandez and defender Hector Moreno, who withdrew" is wrong or undesirable because of its ambiguity?
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A - Published since 1851 -> this modifier is not placed properly, in this case it is modifying "the founders...".

B- Same error as A

C- No errors. This is correct.

D- "The New York Times was founded ... and published since 1851" -> This distords the meaning. Also it seems illogical saying that something was founded since 1851.

E- "The founders being Henry Jarvis and George Jones, [modifier], the New York Times has been published since 1851" -> being is not a verb in this situation and the sentence is a fragment.
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Published since 1851, the founders of the New York Times were Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience.

(A) Published since 1851, the founders of the New York Times were Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience.
(B) Published since 1851, Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience, were the founders of the New York Times.
(C) Published since 1851, the New York Times was founded by George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience, and Henry Jarvis Raymond.
(D) The New York Times was founded by Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience, and published since 1851.
(E) The founders being Henry Jarvis Raymond and George Jones, who had no previous journalism experience, the New York Times has been published since 1851.


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The glaring error in this question is the modifier at the beginning. “Published since 1851cannot modifythe founders” or “Henry and George”; people are not published! This illogical construction dooms answer choices A and B, but it’s remedied in answer choice C, the correct answer. Answer choices D and E both contain distinct sentence construction errors. In answer choice E, there is no active verb in the main clause; “being” is not a verb in that usage. The sentence in answer choice D leaves the “published since 1851dangling at the end when it should be used as a modifier to start the sentence.
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+1 for option C. Verb-ed modifier has to modify New York Times. The relative clause modifier is mentioned in between commas after George Jones. Only C fits the bill here. Hence option C
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