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The answer is most definitely (c). The correct usage here is "derive", not "derives", because alphabets is plural.

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The answer should be 'C'. Here is why:

i) the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and - this is grammatically wrong because of 'was', should have been 'were'.
ii) the Aramaic script with it, and from which deriving both the northern and the - 'from which' seems to be misplaced.
iii) with it the Aramaic script, from which derive both the northern and the - should have been 'derived' for answer to be perfect but derive is also correct grammatically.
iv) with it the Aramaic script, from which derives both northern and - derives is singular, should have been plural here.
v) with it the Aramaic script, and deriving from it both the northern and - second 'it' is redundant.

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I would need little more clarification on this. What is getting derived from what? As far as I understand, "Alphabets" are getting derived from the script, that is evident from the usage of "from which". Could one of you tell me why do you think "derive" is a verb for Alphabets, not for script? Am I missing anything here?
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OA is C

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D. What's the OA?

i) the Aramaic script with it ((what's it referring to? The script or the empire?)), from which was derived both northern and
ii) the Aramaic script with it ((what's it referring to? The script or the empire?)), and from which deriving both the northern and the

---the first 'it' refers to the empire---D) because script is singular, use derives
iii) with it the Aramaic script, from which derive both the northern and the
iv) with it the Aramaic script, from which derives both northern and
v) with it the Aramaic script, and deriving from it both the northern and


Thanks Mrblack, for clarifying difference for different positions of "with it" .
+1 for you :)
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GyanOne wrote:
The answer is most definitely (c). The correct usage here is "derive", not "derives", because alphabets is plural.


Hi Gyanone,

Can you please elaborate how to decide between derives and derive, because I thought its talking about script, from which derives both x and Y.

For Ex.
Color, from which he creates many paintings, is blue.

And next doubt, What is the structure of sentence, I can understand first two part but not able to under " From which........", What is the role of this phrase in sentence.
Really appreciate any response on this.
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+1 for C.

Rephrasing the last part clarifies the role of "derive" which here is used for northern and southern Indian alphabets and not script:

both northern and southern Indian alphabets derive from the Aramaic script

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+1 for C.

Rephrasing the last part clarifies the role of "derive" which here is used for northern and southern Indian alphabets and not script:

both northern and southern Indian alphabets derive from the Aramaic script

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I think I was confused about the usage of derive. Just checked few sentences using derive. Now it makes complete sense. +1 to crick for rephrasing. :-D

Here are few sentences using derive:
If we're lucky, we may derive one great benefit from this horrible experience.
All these words derive from a form of the Latin verb ''gerere,'' meaning to act or carry.
They're usually network broadcast feeds, but some derive from stadium-only feeds.
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Derive a plural correctly agrees with the verb in C. C is the answer.
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IrinaOK wrote:
Fistail wrote:
The Achaemenid empire of Persia reached the Indus Valley in the fifth century B.C., bringing the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and southern India alphabets.

A the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and
B the Aramaic script with it, and from which deriving both the northern and the
C with it the Aramaic script, from which derive both the northern and the
D with it the Aramaic script, from which derives both northern and
E with it the Aramaic script, and deriving from it both the northern and


Would go for C,

between A and C, choose C cuz "from which" refers to script not "Achaemenid empire".
Other choices sound awkward.


The northern and southern Indian alphabets derive from the Aramaic script.
In C Does n't it require auxiliary verb to be a clause....sth like The northern and southern Indian alphabets is derived from the Aramaic script.


I have also the same doubt. The first part of the sentence is in past tense and the choice C is in present tense. We can have both present and past in single sentnece but in this question it looks quite awkward

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The Achaemenid empire of Persia reached the Indus Valley in the fifth century B.C., bringing the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and southern India alphabets.

A the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and - agree the placement of "it" in this option is not idealistic but will still choose it over C.
B the Aramaic script with it, and from which deriving both the northern and the
C with it the Aramaic script, from which derive both the northern and the - who derives the alphabets?
D with it the Aramaic script, from which derives both northern and
E with it the Aramaic script, and deriving from it both the northern and


I will go with A. Had narrowed down to A and C and chose A.
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C is make the 'which' have precise antecedent and follow the Subject - Verb agreement rule.
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Will vote for C

modifer error and "derive" plural should match to "alphabets"

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A "which" refers to "it"
B "and from which..." is not a clause
C Correct
D "derives" is wrong; we are talking about northern AND southern alphabets
E "deriving from..." is not a clause
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Simply going by the "Comma FANBOYS" rule, I don't think there's any controversy over E's being incorrect.

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in option C From which clause is passive? so s/v pair is alphabets derive? From which needs to refer to script. Hence A and B are out...

Option E is an incomplete sentence

So between D and C is where the confusion lies. Can anyone comment? Thanks!
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in option C From which clause is passive? so s/v pair is alphabets derive? From which needs to refer to script. Hence A and B are out...

Option E is an incomplete sentence

So between D and C is where the confusion lies. Can anyone comment? Thanks!


The Achaemenid empire of Persia reached in Indus valley in the fifth century B.C, bringing the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and southern Indian alphabets

iii) with it the Aramaic script, from which derive both the northern and the
iv) with it the Aramaic script, from which derives both northern and

The difference between C and D is the verb: plural or singular? derive or derives?

Since nothing before the verb can act as subject, we have to look beyond the verb to find it. Since we are talking about "alphabets"=Plural, the verb cannot be singular.
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I agree with "From which derived/derive.. " structure..

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The Achaemenid empire of Persia reached the Indus Valley in the fifth century B.C., bringing the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and southern India alphabets.

(A) the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and

(B) the Aramaic script with it, and from which deriving both the northern and the

(C) with it the Aramaic script, from which derive both the northern and the

(D) with it the Aramaic script, from which derives both northern and

(E) with it the Aramaic script, and deriving from it both the northern and

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I understand c is the correct answer, but at the same time i wonder if "derive" is the right verb form on this example. Shouldn't it be "were derived"?

Both the northen and the southern alphabet were derived from the aramic script.
Both the northen and the southern alphabet derive from the aramic script.
Both the northen and the southern alphabet derived from the aramic script.

Among three options, which one is correct?

Could you also explain the difference between "the northern and the southern alphabet" and "northern and southern alphabets"?

Thank you.

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