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The Parthenon was a church from 1204 until 1456, when Athens was taken by General Mohammed the Conqueror, the Turkish sultan, who established a mosque in the building and used the Acropolis as a fortress.

(A) who established a mosque in the building and used the Acropolis as
(B) who, establishing a mosque in the building, used the Acropolis like
(C) who, when he had established a mosque in the building, used the Acropolis like
(D) who had established a mosque in the building, using the Acropolis to be
(E) establishing a mosque in the building and using the Acropolis as

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Hello, in OG, it said in choice E establishing and using modify Athens.

But I'm curious about why we cannot say this participal phrase modify "the Conquerer." Can participal phrase not also modify the last noun?

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I'd have chosen (A) too. I'm totally confused by (E).

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But I'm curious about why we cannot say this participal phrase modify "the

Conquerer." Can participal phrase not also modify the last noun?

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Bumping up the existing thread rather than starting a new one....

The same question: how do we know that 'establishing' is not modifying Conqueror?

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New post 28 Aug 2008, 13:32
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The Parthenon was a church from 1204 until 1456, when Athens was taken by General Mohammed the Conqueror, the Turkish sultan, who established a mosque in the building and used the Acropolis as a fortress.

(A) who established a mosque in the building and used the Acropolis as
(B) who, establishing a mosque in the building, used the Acropolis like
(C) who, when he had established a mosque in the building, used the Acropolis like
(D) who had established a mosque in the building, using the Acropolis to be
(E) establishing a mosque in the building and using the Acropolis as



Hello, in OG, it said in choice E establishing and using modify Athens.

But I'm curious about why we cannot say this participal phrase modify "the Conquerer." Can participal phrase not also modify the last noun?

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OA is A
11-t44647?hilit=parthenon+mosque

E doesn't make sense here...

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E does not make any sense especially after bringing the the General's name into the sentence.

A is the best response - grammatically correct and unambiguous in meaning.

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My question is: how do we know that 'establishing' is not modifying Conqueror?

Why can't 'establishing a mosque in the building and using the Acropolis as' address the emperor?

(E) sounds good to a non-native speaker like me :). Please explain the grammar behind it.

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My question is: how do we know that 'establishing' is not modifying Conqueror?

Why can't 'establishing a mosque in the building and using the Acropolis as' address the emperor?

(E) sounds good to a non-native speaker like me :). Please explain the grammar behind it.


establishing can modify "Conqueror" or "Athens"..
---> So it is ambigous...
ruled out.
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But, OG explanation says that 'establishing...' modifies only Athens. Why?

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Adverbial modifer should also agree with the subject of preceding clause.
So, E is wrong as it modifies Athens instead General Mohammed .

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The Parthenon was a church from 1204 until 1456, when Athens was taken by General Mohammed the Conqueror, the Turkish sultan, who established a mosque in the building and used the Acropolis as a fortress.

(A) who established a mosque in the building and used the Acropolis as
(B) who, establishing a mosque in the building, used the Acropolis like
(C) who, when he had established a mosque in the building, used the Acropolis like
(D) who had established a mosque in the building, using the Acropolis to be
(E) establishing a mosque in the building and using the Acropolis as

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Hello, in OG, it said in choice E establishing and using modify Athens.

But I'm curious about why we cannot say this participal phrase modify "the Conquerer." Can participal phrase not also modify the last noun?

Thanks.


The Gmat try to deceive us with such parallel construction which lack the subject. As they are referring to the subject of main clause ; but to which subject may be the nearest - conquerer. The problem lies with verb tenses used here. The event occurs at defenate time in past hence, need not to have verb -ing form of verb.

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chunjuwu wrote:
The Parthenon was a church from 1204 until 1456, when Athens was taken by General Mohammed the Conqueror, the Turkish sultan, who established a mosque in the building and used the Acropolis as a fortress.

(A) who established a mosque in the building and used the Acropolis as
(B) who, establishing a mosque in the building, used the Acropolis like
(C) who, when he had established a mosque in the building, used the Acropolis like
(D) who had established a mosque in the building, using the Acropolis to be
(E) establishing a mosque in the building and using the Acropolis as

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Hello, in OG, it said in choice E establishing and using modify Athens.

But I'm curious about why we cannot say this participal phrase modify "the Conquerer." Can participal phrase not also modify the last noun?

Thanks.




Old Question but a good one....

Clearly the choice is between A and E.

E is incorrect here as both establishing and using modifies the Athens....(Subject of the clause before establishing and Using) which is not correct.

Note that verb-ing modifier with comma modifies the preceding clause by providing additional information or result of the clause. Also verb-ing should make sense with the subject of the clause which is missing in Option E.

Athens did not established or used the Acrpolis as the fortress, it was the general...

A is correct structure as it correctly uses relative clause who to represent the General....

I chose E :evil: first but see why A is correct.
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chunjuwu wrote:
The Parthenon was a church from 1204 until 1456, when Athens was taken by General Mohammed the Conqueror, the Turkish sultan, who established a mosque in the building and used the Acropolis as a fortress.

(A) who established a mosque in the building and used the Acropolis as
(B) who, establishing a mosque in the building, used the Acropolis like
(C) who, when he had established a mosque in the building, used the Acropolis like
(D) who had established a mosque in the building, using the Acropolis to be
(E) establishing a mosque in the building and using the Acropolis as

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Hello, in OG, it said in choice E establishing and using modify Athens.

But I'm curious about why we cannot say this participal phrase modify "the Conquerer." Can participal phrase not also modify the last noun?

Thanks.




Old Question but a good one....

Clearly the choice is between A and E.

E is incorrect here as both establishing and using modifies the Athens....(Subject of the clause before establishing and Using) which is not correct.

Note that verb-ing modifier with comma modifies the preceding clause by providing additional information or result of the clause. Also verb-ing should make sense with the subject of the clause which is missing in Option E.

Athens did not established or used the Acrpolis as the fortress, it was the general...

A is correct structure as it correctly uses relative clause who to represent the General....

I chose E :evil: first but see why A is correct.


Hi,
Comma + verbing modifies preceding independent clause,then how establishing and using is modifying athens,which is actually a dependent clause.

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Athens (subject) was taken (verb) by x, establishing y and using z.

See these examples:
1. He won the match, playing well. (How did the subject win (clause)? By playing well. Who played well? The subject).
This can be rephrased: Playing well, he won the match.

2. He played well, winning the match. (Winning the match is the was the result.)

E is similar to 1 above. For "establishing" and "using" to modify x, you'd need to place a "who" after "x,".


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The Parthenon was a church from 1204 until 1456, when Athens was taken by General Mohammed the Conqueror, the Turkish sultan, who established a mosque in the building and used the Acropolis as a fortress.

(A) who established a mosque in the building and used the Acropolis as
(B) who, establishing a mosque in the building, used the Acropolis like
(C) who, when he had established a mosque in the building, used the Acropolis like
(D) who had established a mosque in the building, using the Acropolis to be
(E) establishing a mosque in the building and using the Acropolis as

Hi,
Comma + verbing modifies preceding independent clause,then how establishing and using is modifying athens,which is actually a dependent clause.

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Hi Abid,

Thanks for posting your doubt here. :-)

The Comma + Verb-ing modifier modifies the action in the preceding clause. This preceding clause can be an Independent or a Dependent Clause. Ans also, action denoted by the Comma + Verb-ing modifier must make sense with the Subject of the action modified by this modifier.

In this sentence, the cause preceding the Comma + Verb-ing Modifiers "establishing..." and "using..." is "when Athens was taken by General...
So, here the action these modifiers modify is "was taken". The Subject of this modified action is "Athens". Hence, this modification is illogical because Athens did not do any of the two actions denoted by the Comma + Verb-ing Modifiers here.

These actions were actually performed by the General. Choice A is the clear winner here that conveys that meaning perfectly.

For more details on the correct use Comma + Verb-ing modifiers, please read the following article:
usage-of-verb-ing-modifiers-135220.html

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Comma + verbing modifies preceding independent clause,then how establishing and using is modifying athens,which is actually a dependent clause.

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I read somewhere then when the preceding clause is in passive voice, then the use of "present participial phrase" is incorrect. Here, the preceding clause " when Athens was taken by General Mohammed the Conqueror" is in passive voice; hence "present participial phrase" (-ing form of verb) is not correct.

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Can someone explain why B is wrong?
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what is wrong with D option? past perfect? or "to be" in the end?

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Hi Rimpy,
D says: In 1456, Athens was taken by General Mohammed the Conqueror, the Turkish sultan, who had established a mosque in the building, using the Acropolis to be X.
D suggests that the mosque had been established before Athens was captured! So, the past perfect tense is not appropriate here.

"using the Acropolis to be a fortress" can imply that the guy became a fortress after using the Acropolis. :)
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Can someone explain why B is wrong?



Like can't be used to point to something. It can only be used to compare/establish something similar

He plays the drums like a rockstar

but He is as famous as a rockstar.

In first part we are saying his ability is similar to a rockstar.
But When we use as we establish something about him!! not something similar to him!
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