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just a thought, can i get into mckinsey WITHOUT MBA, i mean if i get a stellar gmat 760+ can i get into mckinsey right away. mckinsey consults semiconductor companies as well. would my experience in semiconductors + high gmat(showing good analytical abilities) be able to get me into mckinsey

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just a thought, can i get into mckinsey WITHOUT MBA, i mean if i get a stellar gmat 760+ can i get into mckinsey right away. mckinsey consults semiconductor companies as well. would my experience in semiconductors + high gmat(showing good analytical abilities) be able to get me into mckinsey

I am not sure of your background/experience.

But let me try to answer your q. Yes you can get into McKinsey without MBA as an experienced hire. But your resume and experience have to be stellar to get an interview.
Can someone chime in with more insight on the matter?

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Wow did not know this thread was still going. Great stuff everyone.

To refocus back to the topic of MBA rotational programs:

What's the career path for rotational programs? What happens 10-15 years after you finish a program? From my understanding, you do a two year program and then coming out of it get put in a managerial type role. What do most people do after this? Just keep climbing this corporate ladder? I know the answer probably depends on the company & function, but a general understanding would be nice. Can't seem to find too much online.

One other question: These rotational programs often times have the word "leadership" in them - thus implying a degree of managerial responsibility. Is this a farce? During these rotational programs are you really leading people? Or just being your own "personal leader"?

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One other question: These rotational programs often times have the word "leadership" in them - thus implying a degree of managerial responsibility. Is this a farce? During these rotational programs are you really leading people? Or just being your own "personal leader"?

The majority of the "management" straight out of MBA are managing processes or brands. However, if you choose to work in a plant or in sales, you most likely will manage a line of workers or sales reps in your region.

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13 Oct 2012, 11:06

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Good thread.

I think some of the best LDP programs for manufacturing: Amazon (pathways), Eaton, Whirlpool, BASF, DowChemical

Oil: Exxon, Chevron, BP

Finance: Seems like every company has a good one.

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Since we're discussing intell, anyone know about other LDP programs in the Bay Area? I'm thinking adobe, apple, google, maybe tesla, etc.

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Great thread. One company that I have heard about in the Bay Area is Intuit. They have a cross functional LDP; it should be worthwhile to take a look.

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I could be wrong. I believe, in general, technology or entrepreneurial firms do not have LDPs. There are several reasons: 1) they have a meritocracy culture, so they will ID talent internally based on past performance in the company; 2) they are not short on talent pool; 3) some may have high turn over because of talent competition in the Bay Area, wasting resource to develop someone, who will jump ship; 4) company too small to worry about succession planning (Musk is probably not concerned about his replacement).

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What companies have strong LDPs in the healthcare/biotech area? What are the job opps like after completion?

I would say for the most part, health care companies are not general management type rotational programs, they are generally either marketing LDPs OR finance LDPs, at least if you are looking at products (biotech/pharma/devices). Services/delivery and insurance are often a bit different.

So, many have commercial/marketing LDPs. These would work very similarly to what a CPG company would. You might rotate through different brands or different stages of marketing (market research, early stage, late stage) and then you just pick or interview for a spot on a team at the end. I don't think it's necessarily a huge jump once you finish your LDP. Marketing programs tend to have a very set promotional structure...do this for two years, then do this for four years, etc.

Pharma/biotech companies almost always include a sales rotation, and this might be one of only two rotations.

Pretty much all of the major companies have these. Amgen, Genentech, Merck, J&J, Medtronic, BMS, Lilly. Probably many more that I'm not thinking of off the top of my head.

I think Cigna and Aetna both have LDP programs that do rotate through different functions. I don't know how they exit out though.

Hospital/provider/delivery is just a whole different beast I think. There are a couple that were mentioned earlier that have specific MBA recruiting, but others you have to come through residencies (for which the pay really sucks to start out) and some hospitals just aren't structured the same as a corporation. You might have a performance improvement/quality improvement job in which you end up doing a mix of operations and finance, rather than rotating through departments.

As mentioned above, I've noticed that many Pharma companies appear to offer either Marketing or Finance LDPs/rotations. If anyone out there would care to surmise, do you believe that joining one of the Finance rotations would be the beginning of the track to CFO?

Many thanks!

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As mentioned above, I've noticed that many Pharma companies appear to offer either Marketing or Finance LDPs/rotations. If anyone out there would care to surmise, do you believe that joining one of the Finance rotations would be the beginning of the track to CFO?

The answer depends on the company and the rotational program. Every company has a core functional competency. Some companies are strong in marketing, some in finance, others in operations. Companies tend to groom its future leaders from that functional pool. Although your initial rotations may start in a specific function, you may end up doing something completely different depending on your potential. There are many CEOs who start in a functional LDP, and transition to a broader rotation later in their career.

With that said, it is adviseable to join a functional LDP in a function you are interested in. Your performance and career potential depends on how you do initially. After that, the sky is the limit. You are not limited to CFO or treasurer, if you join a finance LDP.

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All the programs are top leadership development programs if the effort applied to them is sincere. Growth graph may be steady or rapid depending upon the situation and the resources available but sure results of getting success is always there whatever being the stream to to which the person is related.

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30 May 2013, 23:06

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Interesting Thread. LDP sounds Good.

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Does anyone have a consensus list of programs and what their core MBA programs are?

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Does anyone have a consensus list of programs and what their core MBA programs are?

There’s not a list out there. I would advise that you look at what industry/function you want to pursue, and then research some of the leading companies to see if there is a LDP available.

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Having gone through an LDP/Rotational program myself, here are a few things that I can say:

1. Figure out which industry you want to be in -- if you don't know, go with consulting :p
2. Within your field of interests, find out what the big players are and chances are they have some programs
3. One needs to be at the job for at least 6-8 months to really understand and contribute, so don't pick a program that has many short rotations
4. LDP does not necessarily guarantee success. With the program comes high expectations, and one needs to exceed that to be really successful.

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does everyone that exit LDP share similar roles afterwards or half of the class leaves and have to get another job?

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Finally, I have found the right forum! So far, I had little luck in finding good info about LDPs and rotational programs.

I have two questions:
1. Which Auto Manufacturers regularly recruit for LDPs from B schools and in what numbers? I know that GM does but what about others like Ford,Nissan etc.
2. Being an International student, what are my chances of getting into an LDP of any industry?

I work for an Indian automobile manufacturer and have experience in both sales and service.Post MBA, I would like to get into a rotational program and then possibly do marketing.

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