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The green part was a joke. I was saying that in real life, my mother would prefer not to go on this errand with my dog!

As for the numbered options, #2 doesn't work. When we say "Ask X to Y," the infinitive does not express our purpose. If it did, that would mean that I was ASKING MY MOTHER in order to achieve the goal of TAKING THE DOG myself. That doesn't make sense. "Ask X to Y" means that we are making a request of X. We want them to do Y. "I urge the nations to create an organization" means that I want the NATIONS to create an organization. I'm not somehow urging them so that I can do it.

With other kinds of verbs, your interpretation makes sense. "I lift weights to get stronger," it is my purpose to get stronger, and lifting weights is my means of accomplishing that goal. Words like ask/urge/tell/encourage are different. We follow them with another person/entity and an infinitive, and the meaning is that we want that person/entity to perform the action indicated by the infinitive.
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The reason that "and" is before "create" seems to be that "to take charge" modifies either "to create" or "organization."

The truth is that the wording is not optimal. "create an organization to take charge" does not clearly convey any particular meaning. Is the organization going to take charge or is "to take charge" the purpose of creating an organization.

I think something along the lines of "create an organization that will take charge" would more clearly express the meaning.

I'm sorry to late response. Thanks MartyMurray for your nice explanation.
I'm really happy getting expected explanation from you, because I'm not totally happy with the use of to before "take charge of computer security planning".. I thought the same thing like you-using that (with some future indication e.g., will) before " take charge of computer security planning" may convey the actual meaning!
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If that were the case, we would have an and before the (new) final item. However, that is a question of meaning, and the meaning is not that the nation needs to do four separate things. And if you're wondering why that is not the meaning, we should really take another look at how we approach SC questions.

Thank you so much my honorable expert AjiteshArun for your insight on my post.
For the highlighted part---> yes. I understood the meaning. I, actually, wrote all the stuffs just to dismiss the use of to before "take charge of computer security planning", because this does not express the actual meaning of the sentence, i guess.

Okay, Could you explain a bit about the following quotation, please? Actually, I'm lost to get the meaning in the following quotation!
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In such a situation (when one of the two options is clearly wrong), we should not get into whether variations of the correct option could exist. Whoever wrote that question picked one meaning and is not testing us on that meaning. That's enough for us to say that we're done with this question :-)
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I'm having a hard time following all of your concerns, but I can assure you of a few things:
Thank you so much DmitryFarber for giving me your precious time though you're in a hard time :( situation.

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2) Infinitives are verbs!
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Sir, I got a message (forget the source) from RonPurewal in which there is written "infinitive" can't be verb.
Your message confused :? me a bit. So, for that reason I googled in the web. I got some messages from google web where there is also written that "infinitive" is not a verb! Here is the following link where it says that 'infinitive (to+verb) can't be a verb.

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CH ... O2vN3Froy0


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3) "I urge you to read this book." In this usage, the infinitive shows the action you want someone else to take.
Are you talking about "Causative Verb"?
Okay, if there is anything in parallelism like
.............. blah blah to eat and drink blah blah -----> it perfectly makes parallelism because both (eat and drink) are verb.
but, what if there is something like below...
.............. blah blah(there is no to before 'eat') eat and to drink blah blah -----> does it make parallelism?
If infinitive is a verb then the last parallelism should make parallelism, isn't it sir?
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Okay, Could you explain a bit about the following quotation, please? Actually, I'm lost to get the meaning in the following quotation!
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In such a situation (when one of the two options is clearly wrong), we should not get into whether variations of the correct option could exist. Whoever wrote that question picked one meaning and is not testing us on that meaning. That's enough for us to say that we're done with this question
What I meant by that is when a second "meaning" is not there in the five options, we should not worry about what the first and only "meaning" is :-)

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2) Infinitives are verbs!
Sir, I got a message (forget the source) from RonPurewal in which there is written "infinitive" can't be verb.
Your message confused :? me a bit. So, for that reason I googled in the web. I got some messages from google web where there is also written that "infinitive" is not a verb! Here is the following link where it says that 'infinitive (to+verb) can't be a verb.

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CH ... O2vN3Froy0
An infinitive is a non-finite (basic) verb form, although I don't know whether this is relevant for the GMAT.
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Warning that computers in the United States are not secure, the National Academy of Sciences has urged the nation to revamp computer security procedures, institute new emergency response teams, creating a special nongovernment organization to take charge of computer security planning.


(A) creating a special nongovernment organization to take

(B) creating a special nongovernment organization that takes

(C) creating a special nongovernment organization for taking

(D) and create a special nongovernment organization for taking

(E) and create a special nongovernment organization to take


Between D and E, We choose "to take charge" because the National Academy of Sciences has urged the nation, and so it has already happened in the past. Charging will imply that the action is continuing in present time.

thus E
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Between D and E, We choose "to take charge" because the National Academy of Sciences has urged the nation, and so it has already happened in the past. Charging will imply that the action is continuing in present time.

thus E
Hi Neeraj, slightly confused by this response of yours, since none of the options uses charging (in fact, charge is in the non-underlined portion).

If you however meant that taking will imply that the action is continuing in present time, then that is not entirely true. taking is used as a noun here (a gerund form), and as we know, nouns do not have any tense associated with them.
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I'm having a hard time following all of your concerns, but I can assure you of a few things:

1) "The National Academy of Sciences" is the main subject and "has urged" is the main verb phrase. There should be no doubt about that at all. We have an initial modifier, then the main noun (NAS) and its verb.

2) Infinitives are verbs!

3) There are basically two ways to use the verb "urge." We can use it with a simple object, such as "I urge caution in this situation." However, this is the less common usage. The most common way to use "urge" is with an object and an infinitive: "I urge you to read this book." In this usage, the infinitive shows the action you want someone else to take. This is standard usage, and it applies to many verbs that involve an attempt to incite others to action (or inaction): "I beg you to help me." "I warned him not to send that email." "She told me to rewrite the proposal."

4) The meaning is that the NAS wants the nation to do the three things in the list. The third thing is to create an organization to take charge of security planning. Again, it's perfectly normal to use infinitives in this way. For instance, I can say "I have been meaning to ask my mother to take my dog to have her nails trimmed." There is nothing wrong with that sentence, except that my mother wouldn't want to deal with my crazy dog!

I am sorry, but I will have to say that I dont agree with your point no 2: "infiinitives are verbs"
Infinitives are
t0+ base form of verb.

They dont act like a verb. They can act like a subject, an object, an adjective or an adverb but definitely not as verb.

If I am wrong please provide me a link or a book where i can correct myself.
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Between D and E, We choose "to take charge" because the National Academy of Sciences has urged the nation, and so it has already happened in the past. Charging will imply that the action is continuing in present time.

thus E
Hi Neeraj, slightly confused by this response of yours, since none of the options uses charging (in fact, charge is in the non-underlined portion).

If you however meant that taking will imply that the action is continuing in present time, then that is not entirely true. taking is used as a noun here (a gerund form), and as we know, nouns do not have any tense associated with them.
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Between D and E, We choose "to take charge" because the National Academy of Sciences has urged the nation, and so it has already happened in the past. Charging will imply that the action is continuing in present time.

thus E
Hi Neeraj, slightly confused by this response of yours, since none of the options uses charging (in fact, charge is in the non-underlined portion).

If you however meant that taking will imply that the action is continuing in present time, then that is not entirely true. taking is used as a noun here (a gerund form), and as we know, nouns do not have any tense associated with them.

yes .. you are write. I meant to write Taking but accidently wrote charging.
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(D) and create a special nongovernment organization for taking- we need create to maintain parallelism per earlier items of the list. for taking is incorrect.

(E) and create a special nongovernment organization to take- Correct -we need create to maintain parallelism per earlier items of the list.
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I had confusion in option C cuz i think it is a answer but according to major answer is E so please guide me in this question.
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I had confusion in option C cuz i think it is a answer but according to major answer is E so please guide me in this question.
Hi Parth, the structure of C is:

the National Academy of Sciences has urged the nation to revamp ...., institute ....., creating a special nongovernment organization

creating would be a present participial phrase. So, C seems to suggest that the act of revamping and instituting results in the creation of a special nongovernment organization. This is not the intended meaning.

Even if that were to be the intent (that creation of a special nongovernment organization is the result of the act of revamping and instituting), then the sentence should have been:

the National Academy of Sciences has urged the nation to revamp ...., and institute ....., creating a special nongovernment organization

Think about it this way:

Parth exercised daily, reduced food intake, loosing 10 kg weight.

This is clearly incorrect. We fix this sentence as:

Parth exercised daily and reduced food intake, loosing 10 kg weight.
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if yes, that means: to take charge of computer security planning is the 4th item of the series like to revamp, to institute, to create. So, this is something like to revamp, to institute, to create, and to take .........! if this the case, why ,and is NOT used before the final item to take charge of computer security planning?
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If that were the case, we would have an and before the (new) final item. However, that is a question of meaning, and the meaning is not that the nation needs to do four separate things. And if you're wondering why that is not the meaning, we should really take another look at how we approach SC questions. More specifically, if we cannot take a call on something, we shouldn't just pick one possibility and go with it. For example:

1. He wants to join the army to serve his country.

2. He wants to join the army and to serve his country.

Here we can go on and on about whether we expect the meaning to be (1) that serving his country is logically related to his joining the army or (2) that he wants to do two separate things (serve his country in ways not necessarily limited to joining the army). I'd still go for the first one, as it just makes much more sense to introduce the reason for his intention. That is, army and serve go together really well, and I feel that it is unlikely that the sentence wants to introduce two possibly unrelated desires of the subject (and is not very good at establishing the relationship). However, although I do understand that a case can be made for (2) (as in any question that comes down to a meaning call), we should not support (2) just for the sake of playing devil's advocate.

The point here is that (2) is not among the five options! Instead, we have something (for example) similar to this:

3. He wants to join the army for serving his country.

Here is (1) again:

1. He wants to join the army to serve his country.

In such a situation (when one of the two options is clearly wrong), we should not get into whether variations of the correct option could exist. Whoever wrote that question picked one meaning and is not testing us on that meaning. That's enough for us to say that we're done with this question :-)

Hi AjiteshArun,

This GMAT question is not as clear cut as your examples. For + V-ing is used to talk about function, and To + Verb is to talk about intent. In this case, I think it makes sense to use "for taking" since it's the function of the organization - its whole function is to take charge of computer security planning! To me, it's the same thing as "creating an organization that takes charge of computer security planning." Would you please clarify more on why it's to-verb rather than for + v-ing and if there's any sign in the future that I can look for to get the correct meaning? Thanks.

(In real life I'd normally say "to take charge of" but since it's GMAT I have to be careful so I chose "for taking" and it turns out to be wrong!!)
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Hi AjiteshArun,

This GMAT question is not as clear cut as your examples. For + V-ing is used to talk about function, and To + Verb is to talk about intent. In this case, I think it makes sense to use "for taking" since it's the function of the organization - its whole function is to take charge of computer security planning! To me, it's the same thing as "creating an organization that takes charge of computer security planning." Would you please clarify more on why it's to-verb rather than for + v-ing and if there's any sign in the future that I can look for to get the correct meaning? Thanks.

(In real life I'd normally say "to take charge of" but since it's GMAT I have to be careful so I chose "for taking" and it turns out to be wrong!!)

Hello shabuzen102,

I can help you clarify the doubt that you have.

So, let's begin from the beginning. The sentence says that the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) has requested the US to take a few steps:

1. to revamp computer security procedures
2. to institute new emergency response teams
3. and to create a special nongovernment organization.

Now, the NAS has asked the US to create a special organization that can take charge of computer security planning. This is the meaning expressed by the phrase to take charge.... So, this phrase modifies/describes the preceding noun a special nongovernment organization.

A to verb phrase, apart from presenting the intent of an action, can also be used to describe a noun. Following is another correct official sentence with the same usage:

Australian embryologists have found evidence to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

The phrase for taking charge... will describe the action to create and not the noun organization.


Hope this helps. :-)
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Hi AjiteshArun,

This GMAT question is not as clear cut as your examples. For + V-ing is used to talk about function, and To + Verb is to talk about intent. In this case, I think it makes sense to use "for taking" since it's the function of the organization - its whole function is to take charge of computer security planning! To me, it's the same thing as "creating an organization that takes charge of computer security planning." Would you please clarify more on why it's to-verb rather than for + v-ing and if there's any sign in the future that I can look for to get the correct meaning? Thanks.

(In real life I'd normally say "to take charge of" but since it's GMAT I have to be careful so I chose "for taking" and it turns out to be wrong!!)

Hello shabuzen102,

I can help you clarify the doubt that you have.

So, let's begin from the beginning. The sentence says that the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) has requested the US to take a few steps:

1. to revamp computer security procedures
2. to institute new emergency response teams
3. and to create a special nongovernment organization.

Now, the NAS has asked the US to create a special organization that can take charge of computer security planning. This is the meaning expressed by the phrase to take charge.... So, this phrase modifies/describes the preceding noun a special nongovernment organization.

A to verb phrase, apart from presenting the intent of an action, can also be used to describe a noun. Following is another correct official sentence with the same usage:

Australian embryologists have found evidence to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

The phrase for taking charge... will describe the action to create and not the noun organization.


Hope this helps. :-)
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Thanks Shraddha egmat. It didn't occur to me that for taking charge describes the action to create and not the noun organization. It does make sense if I think about it, but how could you tell?

How about this sentence: "Astronomers have developed a scale for rating the likelihood that a particular asteroid or comet will collide with Earth." Can I say to rate, since it'll describe that scale?

Thanrks Shraddha! :)
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Thanks Shraddha egmat. It didn't occur to me that for taking charge describes the action to create and not the noun organization. It does make sense if I think about it, but how could you tell?

How about this sentence: "Astronomers have developed a scale for rating the likelihood that a particular asteroid or comet will collide with Earth." Can I say to rate, since it'll describe that scale?

Thanrks Shraddha! :)


Hello shabuzen102,

The context of the sentence tells us what a modifier is meant to modify. This is how I analyzed the sentence. The NAS asked the US to create a special nongovernment organization. If we add for taking charge... after this phrase, it modifies the action to create. Now, who is the doer of the action denoted by to create? So, per this modification, the US must create a special nongovernment organization so that the US can take charge of computer security planning. But this meaning does not fit into the context of the sentence. Why?

Firstly, because if the US has to take charge of the security planning, then what is the need for a separate nongovernment organization?

Secondly, this new organization is supposed to be a "nongovernment" entity. If the administrators of the country are to run this organization, then how can it be a nongovernment organization?

Hence, the conclusion that the sentence must use to take charge to refer to the noun a nongovernment organization and not for taking charge that modifies the action to create.


Now, let's talk about the other official sentence. Astronomers have developed a scale for rating the likelihood that a particular asteroid or comet will collide with Earth. In this sentence, the use for rating is correct as it correctly modifies the action have developed. The astronomers have developed a scale so that they can rate the likelihood of a particular event. Please note that the scale does not rate the likelihood. It probably will give some numbers or statistics. But teh astronomers will do the rating. Hence, the use of for rating is correct.


Hope this helps. :-)
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Thanks Shraddha egmat. It didn't occur to me that for taking charge describes the action to create and not the noun organization. It does make sense if I think about it, but how could you tell?

How about this sentence: "Astronomers have developed a scale for rating the likelihood that a particular asteroid or comet will collide with Earth." Can I say to rate, since it'll describe that scale?

Thanrks Shraddha! :)


Hello shabuzen102,

The context of the sentence tells us what a modifier is meant to modify. This is how I analyzed the sentence. The NAS asked the US to create a special nongovernment organization. If we add for taking charge... after this phrase, it modifies the action to create. Now, who is the doer of the action denoted by to create? So, per this modification, the US must create a special nongovernment organization so that the US can take charge of computer security planning. But this meaning does not fit into the context of the sentence. Why?

Firstly, because if the US has to take charge of the security planning, then what is the need for a separate nongovernment organization?

Secondly, this new organization is supposed to be a "nongovernment" entity. If the administrators of the country are to run this organization, then how can it be a nongovernment organization?

Hence, the conclusion that the sentence must use to take charge to refer to the noun a nongovernment organization and not for taking charge that modifies the action to create.


Now, let's talk about the other official sentence. Astronomers have developed a scale for rating the likelihood that a particular asteroid or comet will collide with Earth. In this sentence, the use for rating is correct as it correctly modifies the action have developed. The astronomers have developed a scale so that they can rate the likelihood of a particular event. Please note that the scale does not rate the likelihood. It probably will give some numbers or statistics. But teh astronomers will do the rating. Hence, the use of for rating is correct.


Hope this helps. :-)
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Ah, I wish it were clear to me but to be honest it is just not. First of all, is there a rule that if it says "to take charge" then it'll have to describe the noun before it, while if it says "for taking charge" it'll have to describe the verb before the noun? Or does it only apply to the verb "create" since it's an idiom "create for"?

For the other sentence, I have similar concern - how do we know that "for rating" is to modify the noun, is that a general rule? What if it were not "a scale", but just something: "Astronomers have developed something to rate the likelihood" - then to rate would modify "something" and not "developed"? In this "something" example, it really does sound like "to rate" modifies develop, not "something", but if we apply your rule above, then it would modify "something", no matter what that thing is?

He stole the car to compete in the race - then "to compete" would describe the car
He stole the car for competing in the race - then "for competing" would describe the stealing action?

Anyways - my understanding of the distinction between, up until now, "For Verb-ing" and "To + verb" is that the former talks about the function of the thing before it, whereas the latter talks about (1) purpose/ intent and (2) describe the noun before it

(although it's still hazy since talking about the function of noun is also a way to describe it).

Please clarify - thanks so much for your patience egmat!
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