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i have taken up GMAT after preparing for few months and I was aiming at a score of 580 to 600 and even in my official mocks i did well but i am not able to come to terms with my actual score

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1. q41 v25 550
2. q46 v31 630
3. q31 v27 490 (i panicked during this one)
4. q36 v27 530
5. q41 v 30 590

I have excluded tests which had repeated questions here, I have an issue with time management even though I keep using the timer when I practice, after the last mock i thought i will give a try in the main exam and to my surprise, I got a v15 q34 in my main exam, i really don't how it went so bad vis a vis the official mock scores, i understand why i got 34 in quant I have messed up somewhere and was able figure out where I can improve but i am not able to come to terms with what i got in verbal. any advice is greatly appreciated.
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Hi rocketmandoman,

I’m sorry to hear how things went with your GMAT. I am happy to provide some advice but would like to learn more about your situation with the GMAT. I have some questions:

1) How many times have you taken the actual GMAT? Please list the dates on which you’ve taken the GMAT, the total scores, and the quant, verbal, and IR scores, as well as how you were feeling while taking the tests.

2) Please describe how you studied. For how many hours a day did you study and for how many months?

3) To what programs will you be applying? What are the deadlines for these programs?

4) By when would you LIKE to take the GMAT? By when MUST you take the GMAT?

5) For how many hours a day, on average, can you study between now and your next GMAT?

6) In your opinion, how prepared were you for the GMAT? It's important that you answer this question as objectively as possible.

7) Is there anything else that I should know? Anything else you’d like to tell me?
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I think there is a lot of scope for improvement. But before I help you plan strategies, I would suggest you order your ESR, It will help us analyze your real test performance and we can infer a lot from there.

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Hi rocketmandoman,

I’m sorry to hear how things went with your GMAT. I am happy to provide some advice but would like to learn more about your situation with the GMAT. I have some questions:

1) How many times have you taken the actual GMAT? Please list the dates on which you’ve taken the GMAT, the total scores, and the quant, verbal, and IR scores, as well as how you were feeling while taking the tests.

2) Please describe how you studied. For how many hours a day did you study and for how many months?

3) To what programs will you be applying? What are the deadlines for these programs?

4) By when would you LIKE to take the GMAT? By when MUST you take the GMAT?

5) For how many hours a day, on average, can you study between now and your next GMAT?

6) In your opinion, how prepared were you for the GMAT? It's important that you answer this question as objectively as possible.

7) Is there anything else that I should know? Anything else you’d like to tell me?


1)this is the second attempt, the first time I got 400 v19 q25,ir 4 with just a month of self-study,nov 3 ,2018 i was very panicky the first time, second one is on 1st august 2019,q34 v15 420 initially i felt much stressed the only problem which i faced was with time, last 3 questions in verbal and 4-5 in quant were random answers due to time constraints which even happened on my mocks earlier

2. i have studied from 6-8 hours regularly from dec 2018 regularly, in between i have taken breaks for a few days but it never exceeded more than 5 days,i have gone to a coaching centre locally and i understood the concepts well.

3. i would like to apply to business schools in Canada(ryerson,alberta,asper,molson,calgary) and the deadlines will start before mid feb- march 2020.first rounds start mid-october

4. mid-October preferably.

5. i willing to allocate the same amount of my time for prep.

6.i felt very prepared based on my and confident based on my mock scores and performance,i am week in quant and i have always dedicated a majority of my time towards quant and i have witnessed improvement i have not touched math for 8 years, my analytical skills were deplorable but i have very hard for months to shapen this,i am not too disappointed with 34 i guess i could have done better i have seen my quant score fluctuating in my mocks so i would not be too worried i think i can work on that, on the other hand my verbal skills were more on less consistent and in every mock i had a minimum of 2 to max of 4 mistakes out 12 to 13 in RC, SC was not too great but decent and my performance on CR was always at 50% accuracy.

7 . I am weak in quant and I haven't had math since middle school and i had to spend a lot of time getting it back, the biggest problem with is managing time. you can see that my scores in quant for fluctuating it is because i can get even a few 700 level questions right but i have the ability to mess even the simplest ones, for me, it all boils down to the question.i feel i am unstable with quant ,with verbal i am not too good, but i am not able to ascertain the reason for such result in verbal. i have experienced stress in quant section and never in verbal.
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Hi rocketmandoman,

Since you have been studying for some time and have yet to break 420, you need to look at HOW you have been preparing and make some changes, right? Moving forward, be sure to follow a study plan that allows you to learn GMAT quant and verbal from the ground up. In other words a study plan that allows you to individually learn each GMAT quant and verbal topic and then practice each topic until you’ve gained mastery. Let me expand on this idea further.


If you are learning about Number Properties, you should develop as much conceptual knowledge about Number Properties as possible. In other words, your goal will be to completely understand properties of factorials, perfect squares, quadratic patterns, LCM, GCF, units digit patterns, divisibility, and remainders, to name a few concepts. After carefully reviewing the conceptual underpinnings of how to answer Number Properties questions, practice by answering 50 or more questions just from Number Properties. When you do dozens of questions of the same type one after the other, you learn just what it takes to get questions of that type correct consistently. If you aren't getting close to 90 percent of questions of a certain type correct, go back and seek to better understand how that type of question works, and then do more questions of that type until you get to around at least 90 percent accuracy in your training. If you get 100 percent of some sets correct, even better. Number Properties is just one example; follow this process for all quant topics.

When you are working on learning to answer questions of a particular type, start off taking your time, and then seek to speed up as you get more comfortable answering questions of that type. As you do such practice, do a thorough analysis of each question that you don't get right. If you got a remainder question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not properly apply the remainder formula? Was there a concept you did not understand in the question? By carefully analyzing your mistakes, you will be able to efficiently fix your weaknesses and in turn improve your GMAT quant skills.
Each time you strengthen your understanding of a topic and your skill in answering questions of a particular type, you increase your odds of hitting your score goal. You know that there are types of questions that you are happy to see, types that you would rather not see, and types that you take a long time to answer correctly. Learn to more effectively answer the types of questions that you would rather not see, and make them into your favorite types. Learn to correctly answer in two minutes or less questions that you currently take five minutes to answer. By finding, say, a dozen weaker quant areas and turning them into strong areas, you will make great progress toward hitting your quant score goal. If a dozen areas turn out not to be enough, strengthen some more areas.

Follow a similar routine for verbal. For example, let’s say you start by learning about Critical Reasoning. Your first goal is to fully master the individual topics: Strengthen the Argument, Weaken The Argument, Resolve the Paradox, etc. As you learn about each question type, do focused practice, so that you can track your skill in answering each type. If, for example, you get a weakening question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not recognize the specific question type? Were you doing too much analysis in your head? Did you skip over a keyword in an answer choice? You must thoroughly analyze your mistakes and seek to turn weaknesses into strengths by focusing on the question types you dread seeing and the questions you take a long time to answer correctly.

When practicing Reading Comprehension, you need to develop a reading strategy that is both efficient and thorough. Reading too fast and not understanding what you have read are equally as harmful as reading too slow and using up too much time. When attacking Reading Comprehension passages, you must have one clear goal in mind: to understand the context of what you are reading. However, you must do so efficiently, so you need to avoid getting bogged down in the details of each paragraph and instead focus on understanding the main point of each paragraph. That being said, do not fall into the trap of thinking that you can just read the intro and the conclusion and thereby comprehend the main idea of a paragraph. As you read a paragraph, consider how the context of the paragraph relates to previous paragraphs, so you can continue developing your overall understanding of the passage. Furthermore, as you practice Reading Comprehension, focus on the exact types of questions with which you struggle: Find the Main Idea, Inference, Author’s Tone, etc. As with Critical Reasoning, analyze your incorrect Reading Comprehension answers to better determine why you tend to get a particular question type wrong, and then improve upon your weaknesses. Keep in mind that GMAT Reading Comprehension passages are not meant to be easy to read. So, to better prepare yourself to analyze such passages, read magazines with similar content and style, such as the New York Times, Scientific American, and Smithsonian.

Sentence Correction is a bit of a different animal compared to Reading Comprehension and Critical Reasoning. There are three aspects to getting correct answers to GMAT Sentence Correction questions: what you know, such as grammar rules, what you see, such as violations of grammar rules and the logic of sentence structure, and what you do, such as carefully considering each answer choice in the context of the non-underlined portion of the sentence. To drive up your Sentence Correction score, you likely will have to work on all three of those aspects.

Regarding what you know, first and foremost, you MUST know your grammar rules. Let's be clear, though: GMAT Sentence Correction is not really a test of knowledge of grammar rules. The reason for learning the grammar rules is so that you can determine what sentences convey and whether sentences are well-constructed. In fact, in many cases, incorrect answers to Sentence Correction questions are grammatically flawless. Thus, often your task is to use your knowledge of grammar rules to determine which answer choice creates the most logical sentence meaning and structure.

This determination of whether sentences are well-constructed and logical is the second aspect of finding correct answers to Sentence Correction questions, what you see. To develop this skill, you probably have to slow way down. You won't develop this skill by spending less than two minutes per question. For a while, anyway, you have to spend time with each question, maybe even ten or fifteen minutes on one question sometimes, analyzing every answer choice until you see the details that you have to see in order to choose the correct answer. As you go through the answer choices, consider the meaning conveyed by each version of the sentence. Does the meaning make sense? Even if you can tell what the version is SUPPOSED to convey, does the version really convey that meaning? Is there a verb to go with the subject? Do all pronouns clearly refer to nouns? By slowing way down and looking for these details, you learn to see what you have to see in order to clearly understand which answer to a Sentence Correction question is correct.

There is only one correct answer to any Sentence Correction question, there are clear reasons why that choice is correct and the others are not, and none of those reasons are that the correct version simply "sounds right." In fact, the correct version often sounds a little off at first. That correct answers may sound a little off is not surprising. If the correct answers were always the ones that sounded right, then most people most of the time would get Sentence Correction questions correct, without really knowing why the wrong answers were wrong and the correct answers were correct. So, you have to go beyond choosing what "sounds right" and learn to clearly see the logical reasons why one choice is better than all of the others.

As for the third aspect of getting Sentence Correction questions correct, what you do, the main thing you have to do is be very careful. You have to make sure that you are truly considering the structures of sentences and the meanings conveyed rather than allowing yourself to be tricked into choosing trap answers that sound right but don't convey logical meanings. You also have to make sure that you put some real energy into finding the correct answers. Finding the correct answer to a Sentence Correction question may take bouncing from choice to choice until you start to see the differences that make all choices wrong except for one. Often, when you first look at the choices, only one or two seem obviously incorrect. Getting the right answers takes a certain work ethic. You have to take the time to see the differences between answers and to figure out the precise reasons that one choice is correct.

To improve what you do when you answer Sentence Correction questions, seek to become aware of how you are going about answering them. Are you being careful and looking for logic and details, or are you quickly eliminating choices that sound a little off, and then choosing the best of the rest? If you choose an incorrect answer, consider what you did to arrive at that answer and what you could do differently to arrive at correct answers more consistently. Furthermore, see how many questions you can get correct in a row as you practice. If you break your streak by missing one, consider what you could do differently to extend your streak.

As with your Critical Reasoning and Reading Comprehension regimens, after learning a particular Sentence Correction topic, engage in focused practice with 30 questions or more that involve that topic. As your skills improve, you will want to practice with questions that test you on skills from multiple Sentence Correction topics.

In order to follow the path described above, you may need some new quant and verbal materials, so take a look at the GMAT Club reviews for the best quant and verbal courses. You also may find it helpful to read the following article about The Phases of Preparing for the GMAT.

Feel free to reach out with any further questions. Good luck!
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Hi rocketmandoman,

To start, with a Score Goal of 600, you do NOT need to correctly answer any questions that you think are too hard or too weird, but you do have to keep the little mistakes to a minimum. Based on the 'swings' in your CAT Scores - and on your 2 Official GMATs - it is likely that you are 'winging it' on each question (instead of having a set series of 'steps' to work through on each prompt, you do what you think is right on a case-by-case basis - and on many Verbal questions you are picking an answer that "sounds good" instead of one that you have PROVEN is correct).

Thankfully, you y have plenty of time before the application deadlines that you are interested in - which is good. Unfortunately, "your way" of preparing for the GMAT has led to two Scores in the low-400s, so you simply cannot allow yourself to keep studying in that way. Raising a 420 to the point that you can consistently score 600+ will likely require at least another 3 months of consistent, guided study - and you'll have to make significant improvements to how you handle BOTH the Quant and Verbal sections. Thankfully, the GMAT is a consistent, predictable Exam, so you CAN train to score at a higher level.

1) Which study materials have you used over the course of all of your studies?
2) Which 'brands' of practice CATs/mocks have you used besides the Official ones?

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Hi rocketmandoman,

To start, with a Score Goal of 600, you do NOT need to correctly answer any questions that you think are too hard or too weird, but you do have to keep the little mistakes to a minimum. Based on the 'swings' in your CAT Scores - and on your 2 Official GMATs - it is likely that you are 'winging it' on each question (instead of having a set series of 'steps' to work through on each prompt, you do what you think is right on a case-by-case basis - and on many Verbal questions you are picking an answer that "sounds good" instead of one that you have PROVEN is correct).

Thankfully, you y have plenty of time before the application deadlines that you are interested in - which is good. Unfortunately, "your way" of preparing for the GMAT has led to two Scores in the low-400s, so you simply cannot allow yourself to keep studying in that way. Raising a 420 to the point that you can consistently score 600+ will likely require at least another 3 months of consistent, guided study - and you'll have to make significant improvements to how you handle BOTH the Quant and Verbal sections. Thankfully, the GMAT is a consistent, predictable Exam, so you CAN train to score at a higher level.

1) Which study materials have you used over the course of all of your studies?
2) Which 'brands' of practice CATs/mocks have you used besides the Official ones?

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1. OG 2019 including quant and verbal review, GMAT hacks, and GMAT club.
2. 800 score used 3 mocks out of 5 available and 6 official tests.
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I think there is a lot of scope for improvement. But before I help you plan strategies, I would suggest you order your ESR, It will help us analyze your real test performance and we can infer a lot from there.

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I've sent you a PM with an analysis of your ESR and some additional notes/questions.

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