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Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red su [#permalink]
1.Am I correct ? Correct form of using Although is Although X,Y (X and Y should be both independent clause); however Although X is dep clause

2.Also SOURH7WK mentions options A, C and E have no verb for noun 'heirloom tomatoes' as verb is for 'they' but they is a pronoun used for heirloom tomatoes so can't we say h tomatoes do have a verb. They appear, if we ask who does they refer to its 'heirloom tomatoes' and so it does have a verb.

3. Daagh has mentioned in his expln that option B doesn't mention 'heirloom tomatoes' in underlined portion avoiding redundancy but option B - Although h. tomatoes..... is underlined

4. What does information bw dashes modify ? entire clause/phrase before it or preceeding noun
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Hi Dhwanii,
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1.Am I correct ? Correct form of using Although is Although X,Y (X and Y should be both independent clause); however Although X is dep clause

You're on the right track, but it's better not to look at X as an independent clause. Instead, continue looking at although X as a dependent clause. Also, structures that look slightly different are also possible (the subject and verb in X may not be explicitly mentioned in some situations when we start with although).

Dhwanii wrote:
2.Also SOURH7WK mentions options A, C and E have no verb for noun 'heirloom tomatoes' as verb is for 'they' but they is a pronoun used for heirloom tomatoes so can't we say h tomatoes do have a verb. They appear, if we ask who does they refer to its 'heirloom tomatoes' and so it does have a verb.

No. This is a matter of structure, not logic. For example, we don't normally say something like "Dhoni he hit a helicopter shot".

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3. Daagh has mentioned in his expln that option B doesn't mention 'heirloom tomatoes' in underlined portion avoiding redundancy but option B - Although h. tomatoes..... is underlined

I'm not sure why daagh said that, but yes, it's quite clear that option B includes heirloom tomatoes.

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4. What does information bw dashes modify ? entire clause/phrase before it or preceeding noun

Dashes are quite flexible, so the strong pause they introduce may be intended to say something about an entire clause or just a noun phrase.
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Hi Dhwanii,
Dhwanii wrote:
1.Am I correct ? Correct form of using Although is Although X,Y (X and Y should be both independent clause); however Although X is dep clause

You're on the right track, but it's better not to look at X as an independent clause. Instead, continue looking at although X as a dependent clause. Also, structures that look slightly different are also possible (the subject and verb in X may not be explicitly mentioned in some situations when we start with although).

Dhwanii wrote:
2.Also SOURH7WK mentions options A, C and E have no verb for noun 'heirloom tomatoes' as verb is for 'they' but they is a pronoun used for heirloom tomatoes so can't we say h tomatoes do have a verb. They appear, if we ask who does they refer to its 'heirloom tomatoes' and so it does have a verb.

No. This is a matter of structure, not logic. For example, we don't normally say something like "Dhoni he hit a helicopter shot".

Dhwanii wrote:
3. Daagh has mentioned in his expln that option B doesn't mention 'heirloom tomatoes' in underlined portion avoiding redundancy but option B - Although h. tomatoes..... is underlined

I'm not sure why daagh said that, but yes, it's quite clear that option B includes heirloom tomatoes.

Dhwanii wrote:
4. What does information bw dashes modify ? entire clause/phrase before it or preceeding noun

Dashes are quite flexible, so the strong pause they introduce may be intended to say something about an entire clause or just a noun phrase.


Thanks a lot for your input, helped me gain a better understanding.
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Re: Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red su [#permalink]
What does the non essential modifier "—they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises—" modify?
Heirloom tomatoes or cousins?
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What does the non essential modifier "—they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises—" modify?
Heirloom tomatoes or cousins?

Hi nahid78,

I see what you're getting at, but that element ("they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises") is meant to describe heirloom tomatoes. Ambiguity isn't a major problem here, because the cousins have already been described as being "round and red".
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Re: Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red su [#permalink]
Question 1:
The clarify my understanding of the parenthetical clause "-they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises-"... this is modifying heirloom tomatoes, correct?

Question 2:
I watched a Magoosh video on this question (https://gmat.magoosh.com/forum/3561-alt ... an-most-of).
The instructor mentions that when using "although" you need a noun and a verb. You cannot use "although" + a participle. However, in the correct answer choice, there is a modifier that separates the noun from its verb. Can you have several modifiers, as long as there is a verb in there somewhere?

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1) Since that part is a clause, it isn't a modifier at all. However, "they" certainly refers to heirloom tomatoes. That is the subject of the sentence as well as the only logical antecedent for "they."

2) The idea is that "although" is typically used to compare clauses. There's no rule about having interruptions or modifiers in the clauses. As for the portion in dashes, it does throw things off a bit, but you can basically treat a pair of dashes like parentheses. It's an interruption in the sentence that should have no effect on the structure on either side.
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woohoo921 wrote:
Question 1:
The clarify my understanding of the parenthetical clause "-they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises-"... this is modifying heirloom tomatoes, correct?


That part is an explanation, in greater detail, of exactly HOW/WHY heirloom tomatoes "appear less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins".

That part immediately follows the underlined part; therefore, the point is to pick a choice that puts the part about "appear(ing) less appetizing than their round and red supermarket cousins" at the end of the underline (so that it abuts the description directly).




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Can you have several modifiers, as long as there is a verb in there somewhere?

Thank you for your help!


Sure—just as there can be modifiers between the subject and verb of any other clause.
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Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year[/u]—they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises—heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.


(A) Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year

(B) Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins

(C) Although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year

(D) Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins

(E) Heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, although they appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins

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(D) Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins—they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises—heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.
if we make the core for choice D, then it is as follows:

Grown from seeds saved during the previous year, heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins—they are often green and striped, or have plenty of bumps and bruises—heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.
The core:
heirloom tomatoes appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand.
We did not get any COMMA between these 2 independent sentences. So, how do we consider this sentence as run-on sentence?
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Re: Although appearing less appetizing than most of their round and red su [#permalink]
The most appropriate option to complete the sentence would be (B) "Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins."

This option correctly places the introductory phrase "grown from seeds saved during the previous year" immediately after the subject "heirloom tomatoes" to clarify the type of tomatoes being discussed. The main clause then follows with the phrase "appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins," which effectively contrasts the appearance of heirloom tomatoes with their more common counterparts.

Option (A) incorrectly places the introductory phrase at the end of the sentence, making the sentence less clear and harder to follow. Option (C) is also less clear and less effective in contrasting the appearance of heirloom tomatoes with their counterparts. Option (D) incorrectly places the main clause before the subject, making the sentence less clear. Option (E) is also less clear and less effective in contrasting the appearance of heirloom tomatoes with their counterparts.

Therefore, the correct sentence would be:

"Although heirloom tomatoes, grown from seeds saved during the previous year, appear less appetizing than most of their round and red supermarket cousins, heirlooms are more flavorful and thus in increasing demand."
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