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Question No.: SC 10
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Question No.: SC 98
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Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(B) their previous campaigns had had
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign

Originally posted by AugiTh on 03 Jul 2007, 13:52.
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Hello eGMAT,

Nice explanation in the video. I bit more elaboration on the preposition 'in Vs for'. Can you provide couple of more examples that shows correct usage of both 'in' and 'for' ?


Hi umeshpatil,
Thank you for the post. :-)


Let’s first discuss try to understand the usage of ‘in’ and ‘for’ with a few simple examples:
Tom lives in Delhi. (Place)
Ron completed his graduation in 2008. (Point of time)

He will leave for London tonight. (Purpose)
She loves her job, for it is challenging. (Reason)
I have been preparing for GMAT for the last 6 months. (Time duration)

Let’s now discuss an official question to make your understanding more clear regarding the usage of the prepositions ‘in’ and ‘for’.

OFFICIAL QUESTION

• Along the major rivers that traverse the deserts of northeast Africa, the Middle East, and northwest India, the combination of a reliable supply of water and good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in at least 6,000 years.

A. good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in
B. good growing conditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured for
C. of good growing conditions have encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endured for
D. of good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured
E. of good growing conditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, been enduring for


SENTENCE STRUCTURE
• Along the major rivers
o that traverse the deserts of northeast Africa, the Middle East, and northwest India,
• the combination of a reliable supply of water and good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions
o that, in places, endure in at least 6,000 years.


MEANING ANALYSIS
• This sentence tells us about the area along the major rivers that flow through the deserts of northeast Africa, the Middle East, and northwest India.
• It says that in this area the combination of reliable water supply and good growing conditions promoted farming traditions.
o In some places, these farming traditions have endured over the last 6,000 years.

ERROR ANALYSIS
There are three errors in the given sentence.
1) Verb tense: ‘endure’ does not represent the longevity of the farming traditions. The farming traditions have been in existence for 6,000 years. This can’t be represented using the simple present tense.

2) Idiom: ‘in at least 6,000 years’ is incorrect idiomatic usage in this context. Let’s consider two examples:
I started working at e-GMAT in 2012. (To refer to a point of time)
I have worked at e-GMAT for 2 years. (To show a time duration)

3) Redundancy: In this sentence, ‘both’ is redundant since the word ‘combination’ conveys the intended meaning.


Let’s now analyze the correct option, i.e. option B.
OPTION B

• Along the major rivers
o that traverse the deserts of northeast Africa, the Middle East, and northwest India,
• the combination of a reliable supply of water and good growing conditions encouraged farming traditions
o that have, in places, endured for at least 6,000 years.


In this option, both ‘in’ and ‘for’ are correctly used.

Hope the above discussion helps! :-)

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(A) they had in their previous campaigns - Plural pronoun they is incorrect
(B) their previous campaigns had had - same pronoun error as A
(C) they had for any previous campaign - same pronoun error as A
(D) in their previous campaigns - same pronoun error as A
(E) for any previous campaign - Correct

Please explain your ans!!!


key here 'army' is singular subject
'it had' correctly specifies this.

so only E is the correct answer choice.
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This is the modified version of the OG topic, given below.

Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(B) their previous campaigns had had
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign

The correct answer for the above original version is E, which is indisputable, because it is OG’s OA.

In the new version all the plural pronouns have been changed to singular pronouns. But still the OG’s correct answer namely E remains, since both choices are verbatim the same. The other choices are null and void, since no GMAT questions will have two correct answers.


But to go deep into the topic, this is a question of comparisons. More supplies are being compared with the army in A and C, campaigns in B. The comparison should be from campaign to campaign. It cannot be between the Russian campaign on one hand and all the campaigns put together on the other hand. This is like saying Simla apple has more nutrients than in other apples, an unequal comparison.So, D is gone. This leaves us with E, where campaign to campaign is compared.
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Hi there,

Let’s stick to the official question that reads:

Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

Error Analysis:

1. Plural pronoun “they” does not agree in number with singular “army”.
2. This sentence compares “supplies” with “army”. This is not logical.

PoE:

(A) they had in their previous campaigns: Incorrect for the reasons stated above.

(B) their previous campaigns had had: Incorrect.
1. Repeats the pronoun error of choice A.
2. “supplies” has been compared with “their previous campaigns”.

(C) they had for any previous campaign: Incorrect. Repeats all the errors of choice A.

(D) in their previous campaigns: Incorrect. Plural pronoun “their” does not agree in number with singular “army”.

(E) for any previous campaign: Correct. The structure here is: …far more supplies than (supplies) for any previous campaign…

Hope this helps. :)
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Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

(A) they had in their previous campaigns
Army is a collective noun thus its referent has to be singular.
(B) their previous campaigns had had
Same error here
(C) they had for any previous campaign
Same error here
(D) in their previous campaigns
Same error here
(E) for any previous campaign
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Basically every option that includes plural is wrong because "Army" is a collective noun so it is singular.
In "D." their has no antecedent .

Option "E" is perfectly correct and is parallel as it uses "for ...."

Hope it is clear ;)
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tejal777 wrote:
Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.
(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(B) their previous campaigns had had
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign

Army is singular so eliminate a,b,c.Why is the answer e?Is'nt "d " better?



what is the usage of For over here ?
OG Says. "In the context of supplies for a campaign, the preposition for is preferable to the preposition in"
Please explain in detail with few examples .


Dear Abid,

Thank you for your query. :)

We can surely discuss the use of "for" in the correct sentence. However, before we do so, I would like to request you to kindly me send your meaning and error analysis of the original sentence. If, while solving the question, you marked some other choice as the correct answer, then I would like to request you to kindly post your analysis of that choice as well. Your analyses will provide me with an opportunity to understand your thought process and guide the discussion accordingly. Hope you'll appreciate the same.

Also, I would like to recommend that you go through the full-length video solution to this question. It is available on our blog here:https://e-gmat.com/blogs/?cat=45&paged=4

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Thanks for the wonderful explanation Deepak. (+1 kudo)

'for' used in Napoleon's example shows reason ( for any previous campaign)
'for' used in OG example given by you shows time duration (for at least 6,000 years)

I understand constraints of getting OG questions with expected intent.
My question was regarding usage of 'for' to explain reason. The below example given by you is one what I wanted..

She loves her job, for it is challenging. (Reason)

Usage such as above is less seen in Indian English. We usually tend to express idea using conjunctions - because, as, hence, so.
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New post 07 Jul 2014, 20:42
this question has pronoun errors :-

Here subject is "Nepoleon's army"-singular entered in Russia for more supplies than "Nepoleon's army" had in their previous campaigns

Bold part can be be replaced by only plural pronouns so a,b,c and d wrong straight away

Also if you look at D idiom is "supply for" not "supply in" So E is better

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Am confused between A-D and E. In option A-E the pronouns they , their are referring to outdoor club, which should not be plural as its a group. Also if we go with meaning the sentence is talking about the club as a whole and not about its members. thus plural pronoun should not be used .

Because of this only E manages to stay afloat.

Any thoughts ?


Dear Prabhakar Sharma,

The catch in the question is Outdoor Club this has to be singular, thus they / their will lead to wrong answer choices. This would smoothly glide you to answer choice "e", which is the better of the five.

When we look at a group / team, we always consider it singular, unless the meaning states that the group members were doing / performing different actions.

Take this for example

1. Indian Team IS the favorite for 2015 World Cup.
2. Indian Team IS playing well.

In the above two sentences, the team is singular since all the team members are aligned to to the same thing.

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Thanks for a useful discussion here.

I understand how POE helps to get the right answer here [E]. However, I am a bit confused with the comparison here.

Are we comparing supplies that the army use when entered Russia with the support for any previous campaign?

If so, why can we omit the supplies in the correct answer "for any previous campaign"?
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Are we comparing supplies that the army use when entered Russia with the support for any previous campaign?

Do you mean "supplies" (because I don't see "support" in the sentence).

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If so, why can we omit the supplies in the correct answer "for any previous campaign"?

That's called "ellipsis" and is quite common. For example: The orchard produced more mangoes than ever before:).
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Hi Experts,

I understand why E is correct because of the pronoun issue. I have a comparison question for choice D:

If I re-write choice D as (pronoun issue fixed):
Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than in its previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

Would this be correct? Based on my understanding we can infer choice D as follows:

Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than (supplies it had) in its previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

I am trying to understand if there is any other error in D apart from the pronoun issue.

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Hi Experts,

I understand why E is correct because of the pronoun issue. I have a comparison question for choice D:

If I re-write choice D as (pronoun issue fixed):
Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than in its previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

Would this be correct? Based on my understanding we can infer choice D as follows:

Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than (supplies it had) in its previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

I am trying to understand if there is any other error in D apart from the pronoun issue.

Thanks for your help!


I could be wrong, but I don't have a problem with your revised version of the sentence. I suppose we could argue that the "for its previous campaigns" would be a little bit more direct: "supplies for its previous campaigns" seems cleaner than "supplies [it had] in its previous campaigns," but I don't think that your version is explicitly wrong. And it's hard for me to imagine that another official question would torture you over the difference between "for its previous campaigns" and "in its previous campaigns."

I hope this helps!
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Hi eGmat Team,

Could you explain why "It" in question stimulus can not refer to Russia.
In my opinion sentences make sense.

Russia had provisions for only twenty-four days.
Army had provisions for only twenty-four days.


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Hi eGmat Team,

Could you explain why "It" in question stimulus can not refer to Russia.
In my opinion sentences make sense.

Russia had provisions for only twenty-four days.
Army had provisions for only twenty-four days.


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If a pronoun that is the subject of a clause has two possible antecedents, of which one is the subject of another clause in the sentence, then by virtue of parallelsim the subject pronoun would unambigously refer to the subject antecedent.

Here you would observe that "it" and "army" are both subjects ("Russia" is not a subject), and hence "it" must refer to "army".
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Hello Experts,

A quick question here for something in the non-underlined part

it refers to napoleon's army - This is incorrect - right?

A possessive noun can be referred to a possessive pronoun. Hence the word should be it's army / his army

I am not questioning GMAC here but rather trying to clear my concept. Thanks


The pronoun "it" refers to "army" - None of them are possessive (both are subjects). Hence there is no issue of possessive-non-possessive mix.

"Nepoleon's" is a possessive noun, but there is no pronoun used in the sentence for this possessive noun, and hence the issue of possesive pronoun does not arise.
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