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In a survey of 200 college graduates, 30 percent said they had received student loans during their college careers, and 40 percent said they had received scholarships. What percent of those surveyed said that they had received neither student loans nor scholarships during their college careers?

(1) 25 percent of those surveyed said that they had received scholarships but no loans.
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In a survey of 200 college graduates, 30 percent said they had received student loans during their college careers, and 40 percent said they had received scholarships. What percent of those surveyed said that they had received neither student loans nor scholarships during their college careers?

200 = {loans} + {scholarships} - {both} + {neither};
200 = 60 + 80 - {both} + {neither};
{neither} = 60 + {both}.

Question: {neither} = ?

As {neither} = 60 + {both} then we should calculate # of students who received both loans and scholarships.

(1) 25 percent of those surveyed said that they had received scholarships but no loans:

{scholarships} - {both} = 0.25*200;
80 - {both} = 50;
{both} = 80 - 50 = 30;
{neither} = 60 + {both} = 60 + 30 = 90.

Sufficient.

0.5*{loans} = {both};
0.5*60 = 30 = {both};
{neither} = 60 + {both} = 60 + 30 = 90.

Sufficient.

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Based on the information given in the question stem we can put below information in the statistics table.

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We need to find "neither" i.e. "students with neither loans nor scholarships" - Marked in RED.
So if DS statement gives any information about the cells in YELLOW will lead you to calculated answer.

Statement(1)
SUFFICIENT: 25% (i.e. 50 students) are with scholarships but no loans. Based on this arrive at the answer "neither" = 90 (check the above image)

Statement(2)
SUFFICIENT: 50% of students with loans -> received scholarship i.e. 50% of 60 = 30 students. Based on this arrive at the answer "neither" = 90.

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In a survey of 200 college graduates, 30 percent said they had received student loans during their college careers, and 40 percent said they had received scholarships. What percent of those surveyed said that they had received neither student loans nor scholarships during their college careers?

(1) 25 percent of those surveyed said that they had received scholarships but no loans.

In my opinion, Venn diagrams are most effective in solving such questions.

Students who received loans = 30% of 200 = 60
Students who received schol = 40% of 200 = 80

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There are 3 regions in the figure - red identifying people who received only loans. Yellow for people who received only scholarships and orange for those who received both. To get neither, i.e. the white region, we need to know how many receive both - the orange region.

200 - Neither = 60 + 80 - Both

(1) 25 percent of those surveyed said that they had received scholarships but no loans.
This tells us that the yellow region is 50. This means the orange region is 30 since the entire circle is 80. This gives us both and hence is enough to answer the question.

50% of people who received loans received scholarships too. Since 60 people received loans, 30 received scholarships too. This means orange region is 30 i.e. both is 30. This statement alone is also sufficient to answer the question.

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(1) 25 percent of those surveyed said that they had received scholarships but no loans --> {scholarships} - {both}=80 - {both}=0.25*200=50 --> {both}=80-50=30 --> {neither}=60+{both}=60+30=90. Sufficient.

(2) 50 percent of those surveyed who said that they had received loans also said that they had received scholarships --> 0.5*{loans}={both} --> 0.5*60=30={both} --> {neither}=60+{both}=60+30=90. Sufficient.

Hi Bunuel,

I have been using your intersection formula and am able to solve most overlapping set questions though that. Though for this question, I don't understand the steps you used. Could you kindly provide a step by step solution for both statements. Thanks.
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(1) 25 percent of those surveyed said that they had received scholarships but no loans --> {scholarships} - {both}=80 - {both}=0.25*200=50 --> {both}=80-50=30 --> {neither}=60+{both}=60+30=90. Sufficient.

(2) 50 percent of those surveyed who said that they had received loans also said that they had received scholarships --> 0.5*{loans}={both} --> 0.5*60=30={both} --> {neither}=60+{both}=60+30=90. Sufficient.

Hi Bunuel,

I have been using your intersection formula and am able to solve most overlapping set questions though that. Though for this question, I don't understand the steps you used. Could you kindly provide a step by step solution for both statements. Thanks.

I re-formatted the solution to make it clearer:
In a survey of 200 college graduates, 30 percent said they had received student loans during their college careers, and 40 percent said they had received scholarships. What percent of those surveyed said that they had received neither student loans nor scholarships during their college careers?

200 = {loans} + {scholarships} - {both} + {neither};
200 = 60 + 80 - {both} + {neither};
{neither} = 60 + {both}.

Question: {neither}=?

As {neither}=60+{both} then we should calculate # of students who received both loans and scholarships.

(1) 25 percent of those surveyed said that they had received scholarships but no loans:

{scholarships} - {both} = 0.25*200;
80 - {both} = 50;
{both} = 80 - 50 = 30;
{neither} = 60 + {both} = 60 + 30 = 90.

Sufficient.

0.5*{loans} = {both};
0.5*60 = 30 = {both};
{neither} = 60 + {both} = 60 + 30 = 90.

Sufficient.

Can you please tell me which part, if any, is still unclear? Thank you.
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aj0809 wrote:
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(1) 25 percent of those surveyed said that they had received scholarships but no loans --> {scholarships} - {both}=80 - {both}=0.25*200=50 --> {both}=80-50=30 --> {neither}=60+{both}=60+30=90. Sufficient.

(2) 50 percent of those surveyed who said that they had received loans also said that they had received scholarships --> 0.5*{loans}={both} --> 0.5*60=30={both} --> {neither}=60+{both}=60+30=90. Sufficient.

Hi Bunuel,

I have been using your intersection formula and am able to solve most overlapping set questions though that. Though for this question, I don't understand the steps you used. Could you kindly provide a step by step solution for both statements. Thanks.

Dear aj0809,

You don't need solve this question fully. Consider the following equations

Let the number of people who got ONLY loan be denoted by L
Let the number of people who got ONLY scholarship be denoted by S
Let the number of people who got scholarship and loan be denoted by LS

L + LS = 30%
S + LS = 40%

1. 25 = S
We can get the value of LS and then the value of S and finally the value of those who didn't get any of these

2. LS = 15 (50% of (LS + L) = LS)
We can get the value of LS and then the value of S and finally the value of those who didn't get any of these

Thus both the equations solve our purpose.

Hence ans = D
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In a survey of 200 college graduates, 30 percent said they had received student loans during their college careers, and 40 percent said they had received scholarships. What percent of those surveyed said that they had received neither student loans nor scholarships during their college careers?

(1) 25 percent of those surveyed said that they had received scholarships but no loans.

Solution:

The easiest way to solve this problem is to set up a double set matrix. In our matrix we have two main categories: student loans and scholarships. More specifically, our table will be labeled with:

2) Did not receive student loans (No Loans)

4) Did not receive a scholarship (No Scholarship)

(To save room on our table headings, we will use the abbreviations for these categories)

We are given that there are a total of 200 college graduates in the survey. We also are given that 30 percent of those graduates received student loans and 40 percent received scholarships.

Thus,

200 x 0.3 = 60 received student loans

200 x 0.4 = 80 received scholarships

We are trying to determine what percent of those surveyed said that they had received neither student loans nor scholarships.

Let’s fill all this information into a table. Note that each row sums to create a row total, and each column sums to create a column total. These totals also sum to give us the grand total, designated by 200 at the bottom right of the table.

Statement One Alone:

25 percent of those surveyed said that they had received scholarships but no loans.

Using statement one we can determine the number of students who received scholarships but no loans.

200 x 0.25 = 50 students who received scholarships but no loans.

We can fill the above information into our table.

Thus, the percent of those surveyed who said that they had received neither student loans nor scholarships is (90/200) x 100 = 45%. Statement one is sufficient to answer the question. We can eliminate answer choices B, C, and E.

Statement Two Alone:

We are given that 50 percent of those surveyed who said they had received loans also said that they had received scholarships. From the given information we know that 60 students received loans; thus, we can determine the number of these 60 students who also received scholarships.

60 x 0.5 = 30 students who received loans who also received scholarships

We can fill the above information into our table.

Thus, the percent of those surveyed who said that they had received neither student loans nor scholarships is (90/200) x 100 = 45%. Statement two is sufficient to answer the question.

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Bunuel wrote:
In a survey of 200 college graduates, 30 percent said they had received student loans during their college careers, and 40 percent said they had received scholarships. What percent of those surveyed said that they had received neither student loans nor scholarships during their college careers?

200 = {loans} + {scholarships} - {both} + {neither};
200 = 60 + 80 - {both} + {neither};
{neither} = 60 + {both}.

Question: {neither} = ?

As {neither} = 60 + {both} then we should calculate # of students who received both loans and scholarships.

(1) 25 percent of those surveyed said that they had received scholarships but no loans:

{scholarships} - {both} = 0.25*200;
80 - {both} = 50;
{both} = 80 - 50 = 30;
{neither} = 60 + {both} = 60 + 30 = 90.

Sufficient.

0.5*{loans} = {both};
0.5*60 = 30 = {both};
{neither} = 60 + {both} = 60 + 30 = 90.

Sufficient.

The statement (2) confuses me, it seems like it is not exhaustive to assume the total number of those who received both.

Could you please correct my error in thinking and explain why the above statement cannot be a case?

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Bunuel wrote:
In a survey of 200 college graduates, 30 percent said they had received student loans during their college careers, and 40 percent said they had received scholarships. What percent of those surveyed said that they had received neither student loans nor scholarships during their college careers?

200 = {loans} + {scholarships} - {both} + {neither};
200 = 60 + 80 - {both} + {neither};
{neither} = 60 + {both}.

Question: {neither} = ?

As {neither} = 60 + {both} then we should calculate # of students who received both loans and scholarships.

(1) 25 percent of those surveyed said that they had received scholarships but no loans:

{scholarships} - {both} = 0.25*200;
80 - {both} = 50;
{both} = 80 - 50 = 30;
{neither} = 60 + {both} = 60 + 30 = 90.

Sufficient.

0.5*{loans} = {both};
0.5*60 = 30 = {both};
{neither} = 60 + {both} = 60 + 30 = 90.

Sufficient.

The statement (2) confuses me, it seems like it is not exhaustive to assume the total number of those who received both.

Could you please correct my error in thinking and explain why the above statement cannot be a case?

Stmnt 2 does mean "50 percent of those surveyed who said that they had received loans also said that they had received scholarships" and it is exhaustive to get the total number of those who received both.

Note that when we talk about overlap of two sets, say A and B, it is enough to say that 50% of A is B too to get Both. Say A has 10 elements. 5 of those are B too. These 5 will be the only ones in A as well as B. The other 5 in A are not in B. A includes all elements that are A. So there can be no other element besides these 10 that are A. So saying that 20% of B are A too would be the same 5 elements only. Since they are A too, they MUST be in the set A. Hence, only 5 will be in Both.

Does that help?
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In a survey of 200 college graduates, 30 percent said they had received student loans during their college careers, and 40 percent said they had received scholarships. What percent of those surveyed said that they had received neither student loans nor scholarships during their college careers?

(1) 25 percent of those surveyed said that they had received scholarships but no loans.

We can solve this question using the Double Matrix Method. This technique can be used for most questions featuring a population in which each member has two characteristics associated with it.
Here, we have a population of college graduates, and the two characteristics are:

So, we can set up our diagram as follows:

In a survey of 200 college graduates...
So, we'll add the population here:

30% of 200 = 60, so 60 students received loans, which also means 140 students received no loans.

40% of 200 = 80, so 80 students received scholarships, which also means 120 students received no scholarships.

Target question: What percent of those surveyed said that they had received neither student loans nor scholarships during their college careers?
Let's place a star in the box that represents this portion of the population to remind us of our goal:

Statement 1: 25 percent of those surveyed said that they had received scholarships but no loans
25% of 200 = 50, so 50 students can be placed in the following box:

Since the boxes in the bottom row must add to 140, we can determine the value that goes in the starred box:

So, 90 students received neither student loans nor scholarships.
Since we can answer the target question with certainty, statement 1 is SUFFICIENT

At this point, we'll revert back to the diagram we created with the given information:

Our diagram tells us that 60 students received loans.
50% of 60 = 30, so 30 students received loans AND scholarships
We can place this information as follows:

Since the boxes in the left-hand column row must add to 80, we can determine the value that goes in the bottom-left box:

Next, since the boxes in the bottom row must add to 140, we can determine the value that goes in the starred box:

So, 90 students received neither student loans nor scholarships.
Since we can answer the target question with certainty, statement 2 is SUFFICIENT

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It states that 30 students, from loans section also received scholarships.

But it does not states about the students who received scholarships, who said that they have received the loans too.

Hence the answer should be A.

Where is my approach going wrong?
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Bunuel wrote:
In a survey of 200 college graduates, 30 percent said they had received student loans during their college careers, and 40 percent said they had received scholarships. What percent of those surveyed said that they had received neither student loans nor scholarships during their college careers?

200 = {loans} + {scholarships} - {both} + {neither};
200 = 60 + 80 - {both} + {neither};
{neither} = 60 + {both}.

Question: {neither} = ?

As {neither} = 60 + {both} then we should calculate # of students who received both loans and scholarships.

(1) 25 percent of those surveyed said that they had received scholarships but no loans:

{scholarships} - {both} = 0.25*200;
80 - {both} = 50;
{both} = 80 - 50 = 30;
{neither} = 60 + {both} = 60 + 30 = 90.

Sufficient.

0.5*{loans} = {both};
0.5*60 = 30 = {both};
{neither} = 60 + {both} = 60 + 30 = 90.

Sufficient.

Hello Bunuel
Thanks for the nice explanation. +1 for you.
It seems that the question asked about percentage of "neither student loans nor scholarships" NOT the core number of "neither student loans nor scholarships". So, the percent should be 45% ($$\frac{90X100}{200}=45$$)
Am I missing anything?
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Bunuel wrote:
In a survey of 200 college graduates, 30 percent said they had received student loans during their college careers, and 40 percent said they had received scholarships. What percent of those surveyed said that they had received neither student loans nor scholarships during their college careers?

200 = {loans} + {scholarships} - {both} + {neither};
200 = 60 + 80 - {both} + {neither};
{neither} = 60 + {both}.

Question: {neither} = ?

As {neither} = 60 + {both} then we should calculate # of students who received both loans and scholarships.

(1) 25 percent of those surveyed said that they had received scholarships but no loans:

{scholarships} - {both} = 0.25*200;
80 - {both} = 50;
{both} = 80 - 50 = 30;
{neither} = 60 + {both} = 60 + 30 = 90.

Sufficient.

0.5*{loans} = {both};
0.5*60 = 30 = {both};
{neither} = 60 + {both} = 60 + 30 = 90.

Sufficient.

Hello Bunuel
Thanks for the nice explanation. +1 for you.
It seems that the question asked about percentage of "neither student loans nor scholarships" NOT the core number of "neither student loans nor scholarships". So, the percent should be 45% ($$\frac{90X100}{200}=45$$)
Am I missing anything?
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Yes, but knowing {neither} is enough to get the percentage and we can stop there.
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