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18 Mar 2020, 23:17
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Hello Everyone,
Marshall and Kenan Flagler have provided me the same $ amount, and I'm trying to decide which one to go for. I definitely appreciate this forum's responses; they helped me make a similar decision last week. Here's the situation:
Profile: Indian, Male, Engineer with 4 years of experience in Analytics, 740 GMAT
Goal: Consulting (MBB or Big 4 MC) or Technology (Internal consulting or management roles in FAANG etc.)
Marshall:
New Dean, Rise in rankings, may even hit T15 at this pace (Solid T20 I suppose)
SoCal Brand
Better Consulting stats (~25% students at ~140K), better for Tech because of west coast
Great Employment Stats, But weak (er) on-campus recruiting is a concern
~32% International students and bigger Intl community
Kenan Flagler:
Solid T20
National brand
Consulting Stats (~17% in Consulting at ~140K), Tech Stats on par with Marshall (Surprising)
Stats aside, It does have MBB and better On-Campus recruiting
~17% International students
Fit is even and I am location-agnostic at this point. COA for Marshall is an extra ~$20K mainly because of living expenses. Although being in LA for the exposure and industry proximity is worth it (Right?). One of the major concerns to me is that Marshall bumped up to T20 from a T30 only recently, but does that translate to T20 level opportunities in the near future? At the end of the day, the main goal for me is to maximize my employment chances as an international student in both these industries.
I definitely understand my research on some areas may be wrong. So I would greatly appreciate any additional info or points that would provide clarity! And Happy to provide any more detail.
Thanks,
Gautham
Marshall and Kenan Flagler have provided me the same $ amount, and I'm trying to decide which one to go for. I definitely appreciate this forum's responses; they helped me make a similar decision last week. Here's the situation:
Profile: Indian, Male, Engineer with 4 years of experience in Analytics, 740 GMAT
Goal: Consulting (MBB or Big 4 MC) or Technology (Internal consulting or management roles in FAANG etc.)
Marshall:
New Dean, Rise in rankings, may even hit T15 at this pace (Solid T20 I suppose)
SoCal Brand
Better Consulting stats (~25% students at ~140K), better for Tech because of west coast
Great Employment Stats, But weak (er) on-campus recruiting is a concern
~32% International students and bigger Intl community
Kenan Flagler:
Solid T20
National brand
Consulting Stats (~17% in Consulting at ~140K), Tech Stats on par with Marshall (Surprising)
Stats aside, It does have MBB and better On-Campus recruiting
~17% International students
Fit is even and I am location-agnostic at this point. COA for Marshall is an extra ~$20K mainly because of living expenses. Although being in LA for the exposure and industry proximity is worth it (Right?). One of the major concerns to me is that Marshall bumped up to T20 from a T30 only recently, but does that translate to T20 level opportunities in the near future? At the end of the day, the main goal for me is to maximize my employment chances as an international student in both these industries.
I definitely understand my research on some areas may be wrong. So I would greatly appreciate any additional info or points that would provide clarity! And Happy to provide any more detail.
Thanks,
Gautham
18 Mar 2020, 23:47
Kudos
Bookmarks
Congratulations on your Admits and Scholarships!
California schools (including Haas) have a hard time with on campus recruiting. Crap, I even think Stanford has a bit of a hard time with on-campus recruiting though you don't really need it, you just call and they give you a job
, anyway... neither KF or Marshall are stellar with on campus recruiting but I would guess KF is better. woody93 - what would you recommend? Obviously consulting is very competitive and it is a tough place for an engineer to break into as you are evaluated on so much more than your knowledge and expertise - your presentation skills, your ability to recover, how you present yourself, fit, etc and it helps to be an outgoing person in that case. You also have to have lots of exhaustive interviews, chats, meetings, and constantly remind about yourself in a non-annoying way. It is something.
LA has nicer weather but USC is in a tough neighborhood. The area around the school is safe but that's about it. Once you venture out, you are miles from the beach or a nice neighborhood. You will need to have a car, so go ahead and add $$ to your budget. Uber has made things easier and better but it will still cost you, whether you have a car or use uber, that's extra cost.
I would encourage you to connect with students (they are probably pretty available and bored at the moment and likely very very depressed about recruiting). Also consider any additional networks/people you know to help you with this big transition and help with recruiting for both internship and job. Business School can be tough (it is) and it is very trying, so having some safety net or support is very helpful.
P.S. I don't know why Marshall popped in the rankings either, frankly. They were high 20's for a long time and suddenly they are Top 15. It is unusual and I think your feeling of a newly gained fame is that it can be lost as quickly as acquired.... but I am seeing solid job/placement stats, esp for consulting and I personally prefer LA to South when it comes to fitting in (nobody cares how weird you are in LA because everyone else is) whereas I feel the South is still not as open to newcomers fitting in (perhaps that was just me) so despite the higher cost, I would consider Marshall for their employment numbers and ease of fitting in.
California schools (including Haas) have a hard time with on campus recruiting. Crap, I even think Stanford has a bit of a hard time with on-campus recruiting though you don't really need it, you just call and they give you a job
, anyway... neither KF or Marshall are stellar with on campus recruiting but I would guess KF is better. woody93 - what would you recommend? Obviously consulting is very competitive and it is a tough place for an engineer to break into as you are evaluated on so much more than your knowledge and expertise - your presentation skills, your ability to recover, how you present yourself, fit, etc and it helps to be an outgoing person in that case. You also have to have lots of exhaustive interviews, chats, meetings, and constantly remind about yourself in a non-annoying way. It is something. LA has nicer weather but USC is in a tough neighborhood. The area around the school is safe but that's about it. Once you venture out, you are miles from the beach or a nice neighborhood. You will need to have a car, so go ahead and add $$ to your budget. Uber has made things easier and better but it will still cost you, whether you have a car or use uber, that's extra cost.
I would encourage you to connect with students (they are probably pretty available and bored at the moment and likely very very depressed about recruiting). Also consider any additional networks/people you know to help you with this big transition and help with recruiting for both internship and job. Business School can be tough (it is) and it is very trying, so having some safety net or support is very helpful.
P.S. I don't know why Marshall popped in the rankings either, frankly. They were high 20's for a long time and suddenly they are Top 15. It is unusual and I think your feeling of a newly gained fame is that it can be lost as quickly as acquired.... but I am seeing solid job/placement stats, esp for consulting and I personally prefer LA to South when it comes to fitting in (nobody cares how weird you are in LA because everyone else is) whereas I feel the South is still not as open to newcomers fitting in (perhaps that was just me) so despite the higher cost, I would consider Marshall for their employment numbers and ease of fitting in.
19 Mar 2020, 07:13
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bb
Congratulations on your Admits and Scholarships!
California schools (including Haas) have a hard time with on campus recruiting. Crap, I even think Stanford has a bit of a hard time with on-campus recruiting though you don't really need it, you just call and they give you a job, anyway... neither KF or Marshall are stellar with on campus recruiting but I would guess KF is better. woody93 - what would you recommend? Obviously consulting is very competitive and it is a tough place for an engineer to break into as you are evaluated on so much more than your knowledge and expertise - your presentation skills, your ability to recover, how you present yourself, fit, etc and it helps to be an outgoing person in that case. You also have to have lots of exhaustive interviews, chats, meetings, and constantly remind about yourself in a non-annoying way. It is something.
LA has nicer weather but USC is in a tough neighborhood. The area around the school is safe but that's about it. Once you venture out, you are miles from the beach or a nice neighborhood. You will need to have a car, so go ahead and add $$ to your budget. Uber has made things easier and better but it will still cost you, whether you have a car or use uber, that's extra cost.
I would encourage you to connect with students (they are probably pretty available and bored at the moment and likely very very depressed about recruiting). Also consider any additional networks/people you know to help you with this big transition and help with recruiting for both internship and job. Business School can be tough (it is) and it is very trying, so having some safety net or support is very helpful.
P.S. I don't know why Marshall popped in the rankings either, frankly. They were high 20's for a long time and suddenly they are Top 15. It is unusual and I think your feeling of a newly gained fame is that it can be lost as quickly as acquired.... but I am seeing solid job/placement stats, esp for consulting and I personally prefer LA to South when it comes to fitting in (nobody cares how weird you are in LA because everyone else is) whereas I feel the South is still not as open to newcomers fitting in (perhaps that was just me) so despite the higher cost, I would consider Marshall for their employment numbers and ease of fitting in.
California schools (including Haas) have a hard time with on campus recruiting. Crap, I even think Stanford has a bit of a hard time with on-campus recruiting though you don't really need it, you just call and they give you a job
, anyway... neither KF or Marshall are stellar with on campus recruiting but I would guess KF is better. woody93 - what would you recommend? Obviously consulting is very competitive and it is a tough place for an engineer to break into as you are evaluated on so much more than your knowledge and expertise - your presentation skills, your ability to recover, how you present yourself, fit, etc and it helps to be an outgoing person in that case. You also have to have lots of exhaustive interviews, chats, meetings, and constantly remind about yourself in a non-annoying way. It is something. LA has nicer weather but USC is in a tough neighborhood. The area around the school is safe but that's about it. Once you venture out, you are miles from the beach or a nice neighborhood. You will need to have a car, so go ahead and add $$ to your budget. Uber has made things easier and better but it will still cost you, whether you have a car or use uber, that's extra cost.
I would encourage you to connect with students (they are probably pretty available and bored at the moment and likely very very depressed about recruiting). Also consider any additional networks/people you know to help you with this big transition and help with recruiting for both internship and job. Business School can be tough (it is) and it is very trying, so having some safety net or support is very helpful.
P.S. I don't know why Marshall popped in the rankings either, frankly. They were high 20's for a long time and suddenly they are Top 15. It is unusual and I think your feeling of a newly gained fame is that it can be lost as quickly as acquired.... but I am seeing solid job/placement stats, esp for consulting and I personally prefer LA to South when it comes to fitting in (nobody cares how weird you are in LA because everyone else is) whereas I feel the South is still not as open to newcomers fitting in (perhaps that was just me) so despite the higher cost, I would consider Marshall for their employment numbers and ease of fitting in.
Thanks bb! for your response. I agree that LA can become quite expensive quite quickly. And that kinda boils down to the main question: Assuming all things equal including efforts from my end during recruiting, Would spending the extra COA at Marshall translate to better opportunities in my preferred industries?
Either way, I'm equally gunning for Tech (Marshall + LA does help here), so I guess I should be okay as long as I don't put all my eggs in one basket. 
