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To many critics, it seems strange for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and to large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.


A) for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and to large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

B) that Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, be working on a small off Broadway-dance project.

C) that Ms. Tramonivic, who is 72 and the legendary print and visual artist that almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, is working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

D) for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public, to large venues, and to be working on a small off Broadway dance project.

E) that Ms. Tramonivic, who is 72 and the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.


Can some one explain this question? And the difference between "that" and "for" for this specific example.

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To many critics, it seems strange for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and to large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

A) for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and to large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

B) that Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, be working on a small off Broadway-dance project.

C) that Ms. Tramonivic, who is 72 and the legendary print and visual artist that almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, is working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

D) for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public, to large venues, and to be working on a small off Broadway dance project.

E) that Ms. Tramonivic, who is 72 and the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

Can some one explain this question? And the difference between "that" and "for" for this specific example.


ORIGINAL SENTENCE:
To many critics, it seems strange for Ms. Tramonivic,72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and to large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.
STRIKED PART IS A MODIFIER.
now if you read without modifier.:
it seems strange for Ms. Tramonivic to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.
idiom: seems --to is correctly used
this seems to be in passive voice but this sentence is perfectly fine ..agreeing to all gramatical rules.

now lets see the modifier part:
72,the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and to large venues
this modifier is a noun modifier modifying the closest noun:Ms. Tramonivic
and WHO correctly refers to ARTIST.
Hence as such there is no error in this option.

lets see other options:

B) that Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, be working on a small off Broadway-dance project.
WRONG.
= seems + infinitive form ==>correct usage
=use of simplest form of verb is awkward here...(BE..)

C) that Ms. Tramonivic, who is 72 and the legendary print and visual artist that almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, is working on a small off-Broadway dance project.
WRONG.
=UNNECESSARY use of relative clause WHO IS...adds to wordiness
=use of THAT is wrong FOR ARTISTS(WHO is correct usage)
=awkward construction: who is and the legendary print and....
= seems + infinitive form ==>correct usage

D) for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public, to large venues, and to be working on a small off Broadway dance project.
WRONG.
= use of AND makes the second half of sentence a FRAGMENT:to be working on a small off Broadway dance project.
= seems + infinitive form ==>correct usage

E) that Ms. Tramonivic, who is 72 and the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.
WRONG.
=SUBJECT Ms. Tramonivi==>THIS LACKS a VERB
=UNNECESSARY use of relative clause WHO IS...adds to wordiness
=awkward construction: who is and the legendary print and....

HENCE A
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Hi blueseas, here clearly there is a trade off between the use of that vs for. I thought "it seems strange that.." is better than "it seems strange for". I felt the strange for is implying to Ms T and not to the critics. Pls explain
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Hi blueseas, here clearly there is a trade off between the use of that vs for. I thought "it seems strange that.." is better than "it seems strange for". I felt the strange for is implying to Ms T and not to the critics. Pls explain


hi jake,
i am not sure how you are judging "it is strange THAT " better than "it is strange for"...if possible just elaborate more.
more to add...try to remove the modifier part from each option and then read the sentence i think that will make more sense.
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IMO, A is changing the meaning of the sentence, implying that the act of "working on a small..." is seeming strange for Ms. Tramonivic and not for the critic.

I think B is the most correct among the given options.

Experts please help.



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Hi E-gmat,

Below is the SC Question.

To many critics, it seems strange for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and to large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

a.for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and to large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

b.that Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, be working on a small off Broadway-dance project.

c.that Ms. Tramonivic, who is 72 and the legendary print and visual artist that almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, is working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

d.for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public, to large venues, and to be working on a small off Broadway dance project.

e.that Ms. Tramonivic, who is 72 and the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

I was able to eliminate Answers "C" and "D".

Could you please explain me how to eliminate options B, E?

Thanks!


Correct answer should be A.
Here is my explanation.

To many critics, it seems strange for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and to large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

a.for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and to large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project….this choice is perfect….we haven't used "that" so the use of "to be" is correct.

b.that Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, be working on a small off Broadway-dance project…..we need "is" or "are" here. If it were demand or bossy words then we could have used "be" here. example:
Her boss demanded that she be at work on time……here "be" is alright because its demanded and subjunctive case.


c.that Ms. Tramonivic, who is 72 and the legendary print and visual artist that almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, is working on a small off-Broadway dance project…..that can't refer to human being. we need "who" here.

d.for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public, to large venues, and to be working on a small off Broadway dance project…..this choice is missing verb.

e.that Ms. Tramonivic, who is 72 and the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project…..this choice is wrong because the modifier phrase is too long and awkward. we don't need two "who" here its unnecessary. Another thing is if we are using "that" after seem we should use "is" or are verb rather than "to be"
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To many critics, it seems strange for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and to large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

A) for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and to large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

B) that Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, be working on a small off Broadway-dance project.

C) that Ms. Tramonivic, who is 72 and the legendary print and visual artist that almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, is working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

D) for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public, to large venues, and to be working on a small off Broadway dance project.

E) that Ms. Tramonivic, who is 72 and the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.


A) for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and to large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.
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B) that Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues,be working on a small off Broadway-dance project.

C) that Ms. Tramonivic, who is 72 and the legendary print and visual artist that almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, is working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

D) for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public, to large venues, and to be working on a small off Broadway dance project.
Incomplete sentence.
E) that Ms. Tramonivic, who is 72 and the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.
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Hi All,

Could somebody explain whats wrong with choice B and instead why did we choose A as correct here?
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Hi All,

Could somebody explain whats wrong with choice B and instead why did we choose A as correct here?


Hey anuj,
according to me B is wrong because it uses Subjunctive Mood here.

using subjunctive mood doesn't go with the meaning. The Meaning of the sentence is too many people critique X for Doing Y.
The structure is something like " too many critics that X ..... be ..... " --- Not Correct. (Meaning changes) There is no demand or that sort of action taking place so it is not correct.

we can use subjunctive Mood when it is an order. "we demand that he be here" --- correct.

I hope your are getting why B is wrong.
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To many critics, it seems strange for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and to large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

A) for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and to large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

B) that Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, be working on a small off Broadway-dance project. that + be working incorrect

C) that Ms. Tramonivic, who is 72 and the legendary print and visual artist that almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, is working on a small off-Broadway dance project."who" is incorrectly used

D) for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public, to large venues, and to be working on a small off Broadway dance project. no need for "and"

E) that Ms. Tramonivic, who is 72 and the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project. "who" is incorrectly used, that + be working incorrect
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One important concept to note here is: When you use ‘that ‘to start a relative clause as in B, C and E, you need to have a working verb, because it is a clause. Whereas when you use ‘for’ as a preposition, it is a phrase and so no need for a working verb.

In this question, just mask the modifying phrases and you can see that in B and E, there are no working verbs for the relative clauses. Only C is having a working verb in the form of' 'is working'. However, C suffers from using 'that' to refer to the artist. So, BCE are out. D suffers from faulty ‘and’ parallelism. The part before is a clause while after the ‘and’, it is a phrase. In A, because of the absence of the ‘and’ it is a straight - forward simple sentence.

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The basic point here is that ‘for’ is preposition and ‘that’ is a subordinate conjunction that starts a clause in this case. That said, both ‘for’ and ‘that’ can be used correctly under slightly different constructions. ‘For’ as a preposition can be only followed a phrase ( a noun phrase in this case) and since it is only a phrase, we do not need to put in a verb and therefore, ‘to be’ is good enough as used in A. Same time, D, which uses ‘for’ is wrong because the ‘and’ is spoiling the parallel structure, rendering the second part after ‘and’ a fragment.
On the contrary, that as an introducer of a relative clause requires a full- fledged verb; that is the reason B and E are out. In C, the modifier within the parenthesis is unparallel, with a clause on one side and a phrase on the other side.
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To many critics, it seems strange for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and to large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

A) for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and to large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

B) that Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, be working on a small off Broadway-dance project.

C) that Ms. Tramonivic, who is 72 and the legendary print and visual artist that almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, is working on a small off-Broadway dance project.

D) for Ms. Tramonivic, 72, the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public, to large venues, and to be working on a small off Broadway dance project.

E) that Ms. Tramonivic, who is 72 and the legendary print and visual artist who almost singlehandedly brought performance art to the general public and large venues, to be working on a small off-Broadway dance project.
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