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A newly discovered painting seems to be the work of one of two seventeenth-century artists, either the northern German Johannes Drechen or the Frenchman Louis Birelle, who sometimes painted in the same style as Drechen. Analysis of the carved picture frame, which has been identified as the painting’s original seventeenth-century frame, showed that it is made of wood found widely in northern Germany at the time, but rare in the part of France where Birelle lived. This shows that the painting is most likely the work of Drechen.

Which of the following is an assumption that the argument requires?

(A) The frame was made from wood local to the region where the picture was painted.

(B) Drechen is unlikely to have ever visited the home region of Birelle in France.

(C) Sometimes a painting so resembles others of its era that no expert is able to confidently decide who painted it.

(D) The painter of the picture chose the frame for the picture.

(E) The carving style of the picture frame is not typical of any specific region of Europe.

Seventeenth-Century Painting

OG2019 Incorrectly states OA as "B" in the Answer Key. The explanation states that "A" is correct, however

Step 1: Identify the Question

The word assumption in the question stem shows that this is a Find the Assumption question.

Step 2: Deconstruct the Argument

Painting might be by D or B (B sometimes painted like D)

D = Germany, B = France

Picture frame is wood from Germany → D is the artist

There are two possible candidates for the creator of a particular painting. Based on where the picture’s frame likely came from, the author concludes that the artist came from the same location. Must it be the case that the artist and the picture frame came from the same location?

Step 3: Pause and State the Goal

On Assumption questions, the goal is to find an unstated fact that would have to be true in order for the logic of the argument to be reasonable. If this statement were false, the argument wouldn’t make logical sense.

Step 4: Work from Wrong to Right

(A) CORRECT. This must be true in order for the author’s reasoning to be sound. If the frame had instead been made from wood that originated elsewhere, the author couldn’t draw any connection between the frame’s origin and the painting’s origin.

(B) Since the painting was framed with German wood, not French, whether Drechen visited France is irrelevant. The argument already makes it clear that the painting was not framed with wood from France, regardless of who visited the area and who created the painting.

(C) This doesn’t have to be true in order for the logic of the argument to be reasonable. In fact, in order to accept the argument, it’s necessary to assume that it is possible to determine who created this particular painting with some degree of certainty.

(D) The artist didn’t necessarily have to choose the frame himself. Somebody else in the same geographic area, such as a local buyer, might have chosen the frame.

(E) It’s necessary to assume that the carving style wasn’t especially typical of France, or the argument’s reasoning would be damaged, since it would then be more likely that the frame was created in France. However, the author didn’t assume that the carving style wasn’t typical of any European region. It could have been typical of Germany, or of some other region in Europe outside of both artists’ areas, and the conclusion would still have been reasonable.




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Hi mikemcgarry or other experts,
I struggled with A and B, honestly speaking, I have confused why A is correct, although I picked up A

IMO, (A) The frame was made from wood local to the region where the picture was painted.
Choice A states that the wood of frame is the same region of the picture. so i can get that wood of frame came either Germany or France.
But the fact that wood of frame was found widely in Germany does not necessary mean the picture was from Germany , and that the region of wood is Germany does not necessary mean the picture was from Germany.
It is highly possible that the wood of the frame and picture were from France, but the frame was found widely in Germany.

So how could A be assumption.

(B) Drechen is unlikely to have ever visited the home region of Birelle in France.
Even Drechen never visited France, it is also entirely possible that Drechen used the frame from France, and wood that found widely in Germany actually came from France.

So I think B is not correct.

Genuinely want you help

thanks in advance

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How are you, my friend? I'm happy to respond. :-) I see that my intelligent colleague sayantanc2k already responded, but I will add a few thoughts.

Part of what is odd about your analysis is that you don't ever mention the conclusion of the argument and seem unaware of the conclusion. The conclusion is:
... the painting is most likely the work of Drechen.
The conclusion is about the issue of who painted the painting. You are focusing too much on the frames.

The fact that the wood of the frame is plentiful in German and rare is France is used as evidence. Does this prove without a shadow of a doubt that the frame was made in Germany? Of course not. But it does make it more likely that the frame was made in Germany. Notice that the conclusion is stated in terms of likelihood, not ironclad certainty. Nothing in this argument is about establishing any point beyond all doubt.

Choice (A) links the evidence to the conclusion--it provides a bridge. That is one job of an assumption. We could also use the negation test: if the frame was NOT "made from wood local to the region where the picture was painted," then it could have come from Italy or Russia or wherever, and the composition of the frame tells us nothing about the likely artist. In other words, if we deny this, the argument collapses. That is also a telltale sign of an assumption.

Choice (B) is a weak distractor. Let's flamboyantly negate that. Suppose Drechen "visited the home region of Birelle in France" every six months of his life! Suppose Drechen had family there whom he always visited. On these frequent trips, would Drechen have brought his painting supplies? Would he have brought a frame? Would he have bought a new frame while he was there? We don't know the answers to any of these questions. Without further information, we can't tell whether this would strengthen or weaken the argument. If we negate a statement, and the effect on the argument is ambiguous, then we definitely do not have an assumption.

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Hello Pawan,

This is very good assumption question. Thanks for sharing.

To answer your question (how to answer?), well this is assumption question, and as you might be aware here we have a benefit of checking the answer choice with denial/negation test and I think, if you apply this technique then only A is correct.

Here goes analysis:

Premise 01: Painting (supposed to be of one of two 17th century artists German JD/French BD) discovered

Premise 02: Painting frame made of German Wood

Conclusion: So painting work should be of German JD not French BD

What could be possible assumptions: (Note: its good practice to list all feasible but not always necessary)

1. There were no exports of wood from Germany to France in 17th century

2. Frame only made from the wood, which is locally available (i.e. no imports or use of wood from other market allowed)

3. Drechen has not visited Birelle region in France in 17th century to gift several frames to Louis Birelle

.............So on.....

Well see how option A matches with our pre-thinking linkage 02.

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A newly discovered painting seems to be the work of one of two seventeenth-century artists, either the northern German Johannes Drechen or the Frenchman Louis Birelle, who sometimes painted in the same style as Drechen. Analysis of the carved picture frame, which has been identified as the painting’s original seventeenth-century frame, showed that it is made of wood found widely in northern Germany at the time, but rare in the part of France where Birelle lived. This shows that the painting is most likely the work of Drechen.

Which of the following is an assumption that the argument requires?

(A) The frame was made from wood local to the region where the picture was painted.
(B) Drechen is unlikely to have ever visited the home region of Birelle in France.
(C) Sometimes a painting so resembles others of its era that no expert is able to confidently decide who painted it.
(D) The painter of the picture chose the frame for the picture.
(E) The carving style of the picture frame is not typical of any specific region of Europe.


onclusion: This shows that the painting is most likely the work of Drechen.

beased on the premiste that the wood used for the frame is found in Germany but rare in france


Here the author might assume that the frame cannot be transported from Germany to France
or he might also think that frame used must be from painter's native place
or else French painter cannot come to Germany and use frame at germany


Option A matches our pre-thinking.
So A is correct
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It is scpecifically mentioned that Drechen was from northern Germany.
Hence if he has made the painting, the wood has be from North Germany.

Hence A wins!!

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Hi can anyone explain why A is stronger choice than D? As D is also a plausible assumption because if the artist did not choose a frame then Brielle could have painted the painting and someone from Germany bought it and put a German frame around it.
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Hi can anyone explain why A is stronger choice than D? As D is also a plausible assumption because if the artist did not choose a frame then Brielle could have painted the painting and someone from Germany bought it and put a German frame around it.


hi,
The reasoning given in D becomes an inherent part of A..
A says very clearly that the wood and place were from the same place..

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As D is also a plausible assumption because if the artist did not choose a frame then Brielle could have painted the painting and someone from Germany bought it and put a German frame around it

this view does not stand in front of A and that is why A is better than D..
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anujzo wrote:
Hi can anyone explain why A is stronger choice than D? As D is also a plausible assumption because if the artist did not choose a frame then Brielle could have painted the painting and someone from Germany bought it and put a German frame around it.


hi,
The reasoning given in D becomes an inherent part of A..
A says very clearly that the wood and place were from the same place..

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As D is also a plausible assumption because if the artist did not choose a frame then Brielle could have painted the painting and someone from Germany bought it and put a German frame around it

this view does not stand in front of A and that is why A is better than D..



Oh ok that does make sense. So as a rule of thumb should I focus on answer choices that are not more than one logical step away from breaking the conclusion?
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A newly discovered painting seems to be the work of one of two seventeenth-century artists, either the northern German Johannes Drechen or the Frenchman Louis Birelle, who sometimes painted in the same style as Drechen. Analysis of the carved picture frame, which has been identified as the painting’s original seventeenth-century frame, showed that it is made of wood found widely in northern Germany at the time, but rare in the part of France where Birelle lived. This shows that the painting is most likely the work of Drechen.

Which of the following is an assumption that the argument requires?

A) The frame was made from wood local to the region where the picture was painted.
B) Drechen is unlikely to have ever visited the home region of Birelle in France.
C) Sometimes a painting so resembles others of its era that no expert is able to confidently decide who painted it.
D) The painter of the picture chose the frame for the picture.
E) The carving style of the picture frame is not typical of any specific region of Europe.

I chose A but I found the assumption very incomplete.

The author may assume:

1) Louis Birelle did not go to Germany to paint the painting.
2) The frame cannot be transported from Germany to France.
3) The painting was painted in the region where the author is native to.
4) The frame was made of wood local to the region where the painting was painted.

However, you cannot assume 4) unless you assume 3).


Your thoughts on the observations in bold will be greatly appreciated.
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A newly discovered painting seems to be the work of one of two seventeenth-century artists, either the northern German Johannes Drechen or the Frenchman Louis Birelle, who sometimes painted in the same style as Drechen. Analysis of the carved picture frame, which has been identified as the painting’s original seventeenth-century frame, showed that it is made of wood found widely in northern Germany at the time, but rare in the part of France where Birelle lived. This shows that the painting is most likely the work of Drechen.

Which of the following is an assumption that the argument requires?

A) The frame was made from wood local to the region where the picture was painted.
B) Drechen is unlikely to have ever visited the home region of Birelle in France.
C) Sometimes a painting so resembles others of its era that no expert is able to confidently decide who painted it.
D) The painter of the picture chose the frame for the picture.
E) The carving style of the picture frame is not typical of any specific region of Europe.

I chose A but I found the assumption very incomplete.

The author may assume:

1) Louis Birelle did not go to Germany to paint the painting.
2) The frame cannot be transported from Germany to France.
3) The painting was painted in the region where the author is native to.
4) The frame was made of wood local to the region where the painting was painted.


Break down into understandable statements -

Confusion regarding a painting - Drechen / Birelle ( having similar painting style)
Frame : Made with the same wood found in Germany ( where Drechen lived) during that time period.
Frame : Wood found in the Frame was not found in France ( where Birelle lived ) during that time period.
Conclusion : Painting was made by Drechen


(A) Louis Birelle did not go to Germany to paint the painting.

If Braile went to Germany ( Used local wood for the frame ) then the argument falls apart.

(B) frame cannot be transported from Germany to France.

Frame can be transported anywhere in the world but what about the painter ?

(C) painting was painted in the region where the author is native to.

Irrelevant, to the discussion, it is possible that the painter is from US , used material from Germany and painted the picture in Russia.

Place of painting of the picture is irrelevant to the discussion...


(D) frame was made of wood local to the region where the painting was painted.

Again location of the painting/wood is irrelevant to the discussion....



Hence answer is (A)

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anujzo wrote:
Hi can anyone explain why A is stronger choice than D? As D is also a plausible assumption because if the artist did not choose a frame then Brielle could have painted the painting and someone from Germany bought it and put a German frame around it.


hi,
The reasoning given in D becomes an inherent part of A..
A says very clearly that the wood and place were from the same place..

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As D is also a plausible assumption because if the artist did not choose a frame then Brielle could have painted the painting and someone from Germany bought it and put a German frame around it

this view does not stand in front of A and that is why A is better than D..



(A) The frame was made from wood local to the region where the picture was painted.
(E) The carving style of the picture frame is not typical of any specific region of Europe.

chetan2u
I could see why A is an assumption, but what is wrong with E? E presents an alternative approach to finding the painter. Isn't the author assuming that there are no other alternative ways to finding the painter, except for the kind of wood used in the frame of the painting?

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A newly discovered painting seems to be the work of one of two seventeenth-century artists, either the northern German Johannes Drechen or the Frenchman Louis Birelle, who sometimes painted in the same style as Drechen. Analysis of the carved picture frame, which has been identified as the painting’s original seventeenth-century frame, showed that it is made of wood found widely in northern Germany at the time, but rare in the part of France where Birelle lived. This shows that the painting is most likely the work of Drechen.

Which of the following is an assumption that the argument requires?

(A) The frame was made from wood local to the region where the picture was painted.
(B) Drechen is unlikely to have ever visited the home region of Birelle in France.
(C) Sometimes a painting so resembles others of its era that no expert is able to confidently decide who painted it.
(D) The painter of the picture chose the frame for the picture.
(E) The carving style of the picture frame is not typical of any specific region of Europe.



(A) The frame was made from wood local to the region where the picture was painted. If we negate the statement- The frame was made from wood NOT local to the region where the picture was painted.
The negated statement makes us believe that relying on the frame might not be useful to to know who painted the picture.

(B) Drechen is unlikely to have ever visited the home region of Birelle in France. Even if he visited, it doesn't really matter to us. We want to know if he got the frame and picture from there.
(C) Sometimes a painting so resembles others of its era that no expert is able to confidently decide who painted it. We are relying on the date of frame and not the similarity between two pictures.
(D) The painter of the picture chose the frame for the picture. What if Birelle chose the German frame. Can not be the assumption.
(E) The carving style of the picture frame is not typical of any specific region of Europe. It is given in the argument that frame belongs to Germany.

A is the answer
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I think that A is not the perfect answer.
Even if we negate the statement and say that "The frame was made from wood NOT local to the region where the picture was painted", there is still possibility that Drechen painted the picture in some other region. To support the conclusion we need another assumption like "Drechen didn't paint any picture outside northern Germany".
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I think that A is not the perfect answer.
Even if we negate the statement and say that "The frame was made from wood NOT local to the region where the picture was painted", there is still possibility that Drechen painted the picture in some other region. To support the conclusion we need another assumption like "Drechen didn't paint any picture outside northern Germany".


the argument's conclusion says:This shows that the painting is most likely the work of Drechen.

so the author assumes it is made from local wood where it was painted

the above bolded part is necessary for the conclusion to be true.
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A newly discovered painting seems to be the work of one of two seventeenth-century artists, either the northern German Johannes Drechen or the Frenchman Louis Birelle, who sometimes painted in the same style as Drechen. Analysis of the carved picture frame, which has been identified as the painting’s original seventeenth-century frame, showed that it is made of wood found widely in northern Germany at the time, but rare in the part of France where Birelle lived. This shows that the painting is most likely the work of Drechen.

Which of the following is an assumption that the argument requires?

(A) The frame was made from wood local to the region where the picture was painted.
(B) Drechen is unlikely to have ever visited the home region of Birelle in France.
(C) Sometimes a painting so resembles others of its era that no expert is able to confidently decide who painted it.
(D) The painter of the picture chose the frame for the picture.
(E) The carving style of the picture frame is not typical of any specific region of Europe.



I ended up choosing A through method of elimination.

Doesnt the part (highlighed in bold) in argument conflicts with the choice A assumption ? Even though that particular wood was rare in France, still it could be considered local to France. Which means it could be painted by Drechen or Birelle....

Would appreciate if someone could help me clear my above mentioned doubt,
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I ended up choosing A through method of elimination.

Doesnt the part (highlighed in bold) in argument conflicts with the choice A assumption ? Even though that particular wood was rare in France, still it could be considered local to France. Which means it could be painted by Drechen or Birelle....

Would appreciate if someone could help me clear my above mentioned doubt,
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Assumptions Questions in GMAT, as I understand, are not driven by formal logic but by general world logic. By that logic rare means "not easily found" and hence looks okay.
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If I negate D it breaks the conclusion, as someone else might have put the frame. A is also a assumption but I am confused why it is better that D
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If I negate D it breaks the conclusion, as someone else might have put the frame. A is also a assumption but I am confused why it is better that D


The artist himself or someone else in the same location (e.g. a trainee or someone who exhibited the painting) might have chosen the frame. Option D is not is not a mandatory link between the premise and the conclusion - it can at most be a strengthening statement, but it does not satisfy "must be true" scenario required by an option to be qualified as an assumption.
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Hi mikemcgarry or other experts,
I struggled with A and B, honestly speaking, I have confused why A is correct, although I picked up A

IMO, (A) The frame was made from wood local to the region where the picture was painted.
Choice A states that the wood of frame is the same region of the picture. so i can get that wood of frame came either Germany or France.
But the fact that wood of frame was found widely in Germany does not necessary mean the picture was from Germany , and that the region of wood is Germany does not necessary mean the picture was from Germany.
It is highly possible that the wood of the frame and picture were from France, but the frame was found widely in Germany.

So how could A be assumption.

(B) Drechen is unlikely to have ever visited the home region of Birelle in France.
Even Drechen never visited France, it is also entirely possible that Drechen used the frame from France, and wood that found widely in Germany actually came from France.

So I think B is not correct.

Genuinely want you help

thanks in advance

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Re: A newly discovered painting seems to be the work of one of two sevente  [#permalink]

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Hi mikemcgarry or other experts,
I struggled with A and B, honestly speaking, I have confused why A is correct, although I picked up A

IMO, (A) The frame was made from wood local to the region where the picture was painted.
Choice A states that the wood of frame is the same region of the picture. so i can get that wood of frame came either Germany or France.
But the fact that wood of frame was found widely in Germany does not necessary mean the picture was from Germany , and that the region of wood is Germany does not necessary mean the picture was from Germany.
It is highly possible that the wood of the frame and picture were from France, but the frame was found widely in Germany.

So how could A be assumption.

(B) Drechen is unlikely to have ever visited the home region of Birelle in France.
Even Drechen never visited France, it is also entirely possible that Drechen used the frame from France, and wood that found widely in Germany actually came from France.

So I think B is not correct.

Genuinely want you help

thanks in advance

have a nice day
>_~


Premise: Wood found in Germay is used to frame the painting.
Conclusion: The painting was made in Germany.

What you are arguing in your post is that it is not correct to conclude that the painting was made in Germany, but the question is not about whether it is right or wrong to conclude so - if someone (the author) has already concluded so (as given in the passage), then what is his / her assumption is behind that conclusion ? Option A states an assumption behind that author's conclusion, linking the premise and conclusion mentioned above (it does not matter whether the conclusion is right or wrong).

In summary: It is not required to evaluate whether a premise used to conlude something is valid. The point is if someone uses a premise to arrive at a conclusion (rightly or wrongly), then what is that person's assumption linking the premise and conclusion.
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