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# Although nobody knows when ravens first arrived at the Tower of London

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09 Oct 2018, 21:51
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Although nobody knows when ravens first arrived at the Tower of London, their presence has been all but mandated for approximately 300 years, because a superstition holds that if there are no ravens at the Tower, the entire kingdom will fall.

(A) if there are no ravens at the Tower, the entire kingdom will fall
(B) without ravens at the Tower, the entire kingdom will fall
(C) the entire kingdom will fall if the Tower did not have ravens
(D) without that, the entire kingdom would have fallen
(E) with no ravens at the Tower, the entire kingdom would have fallen

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09 Oct 2018, 22:01
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Is there a clear case to be made for choosing B over A? The OA just says that B is better worded and is, therefore, the correct answer. This seems a bit arbitrary.
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09 Oct 2018, 23:01
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Although nobody knows when ravens first arrived at the Tower of London, their presence has been all but mandated for approximately 300 years, because a superstition holds that if there are no ravens at the Tower, the entire kingdom will fall.

(A) if there are no ravens at the Tower, the entire kingdom will fall(seems to have no grammatical error)
(B) without ravens at the Tower, the entire kingdom will fall(that introduce a clause but verb is missing)
(C) the entire kingdom will fall if the Tower did not have ravens(change in meaning,it suggests that tower didn't possess ravens)
(D) without that, the entire kingdom would have fallen(no clear antecedent of that here and change in verb from will to would have is wrong)
(E) with no ravens at the Tower, the entire kingdom would have fallen(verb error)

So I would go with A

Please correct if I am wrong.
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09 Oct 2018, 23:33
I have selected A, but it is wrong. One explanation I have, but not sure of this. The error could be with - " If there are no ravens". I think the intended meaning is if there is no raven, the kingdom will fall. One raven at least needs to be there. Hence the usage of plural form renders option A as wrong. Experts can answer.

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11 Oct 2018, 03:05
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A and B are close but without is much better than no ravens. Next since a superstition is being described as a condition present and future tenses are used.
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11 Oct 2018, 03:47
shaarang wrote:
Although nobody knows when ravens first arrived at the Tower of London, their presence has been all but mandated for approximately 300 years, because a superstition holds that if there are no ravens at the Tower, the entire kingdom will fall.

(A) if there are no ravens at the Tower, the entire kingdom will fall
(B) without ravens at the Tower, the entire kingdom will fall
(C) the entire kingdom will fall if the Tower did not have ravens
(D) without that, the entire kingdom would have fallen
(E) with no ravens at the Tower, the entire kingdom would have fallen

I'm still confused between A and B.
And I chose A because it sounded better than B.
Can anyone please differentiate precisely, why B is a better choice?
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11 Oct 2018, 03:59
I went with B.
Since if, then statement is for conditional "If there are no ravens the kingdom will fall"

But- the words preceding the underline superstition holds also indicates a conditional even "superstitions holds that without ravens, the kingdom will fall"

Hence, B removes the redundant IF for the conditional phrases.

That's my thinking.
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11 Oct 2018, 04:35

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11 Oct 2018, 07:00

"Holds that" require a direct object and for that reason B is preferred over A.
A) a superstition holds that if there are no ravens at the Tower, the entire- It sounds like there were no ravens at all at any time.
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05 Nov 2018, 06:57
I am not able to differentiate between A and B.

Chose A as the If structure did not seem to have a problem. Meaning is also properly communicated.
There is no clear way to negate B as well.
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29 Nov 2018, 03:05
Reading through this discussion, I still don't see any convincing reason to choose B over A. Ideally, we'd see the subjunctive in A: "If there WERE no ravens, the tower WOULD fall." However, A is not grammatically wrong, and there's no significant meaning difference. Both A and B imply describe a lack of any ravens, so we have R=0 in both cases. The phrase "holds that" introduces an independent clause, not an object, and both choices supply a complete clause.

We could make a slight meaning case against A if we interpret it as extreme and immediate--if there are no ravens for even a moment, the country will fall--but this is a stretch.
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05 Dec 2018, 15:32
Could someone explain why E is wrong?
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06 Dec 2018, 05:45
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Can you please explain the difference between (A) & (B)?

As per the question, we know that without Ravens at the Tower of London, the British empire would collapse.

Both (A) & (B) convey the meaning and i am unable to find a difference between them
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06 Dec 2018, 07:46
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Can you please explain the difference between A and B answer choice.
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