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I don't know option C is correct for this one. Can someone explain:


I marked D, but couldn't understand why C is correct.

The passage supports which of the following statements about sixteenth-century European fishing crews working the waters off Newfoundland?

A. They wrote no accounts of their fishing voyages.
B. They primarily sailed under the flag of Portugal.
C. They exchanged ship parts with Native Americans for furs.
D. They commonly traded jewelry with Native Americans for furs.
E. They carried surplus metal implements to trade with Native Americans for furs.
To answer this question, we need to know precisely what the passage says about sixteenth-century European fishing crews working the waters off Newfoundland.

Lines 4-9 tell us that "fishing crews working the waters around Newfoundland" were the first Europeans to trade European-made goods with modern era Native Americans. Lines 9-16 elaborate on this trading, by telling us:

    ...Archaeologists had
    noticed that sixteenth-century Native American
    (10)
    sites were strewn with iron bolts and metal
    pins. Only later, upon reading Nicolas Denys’s
    1672 account of seventeenth-century European
    settlements in North America, did archaeologists
    realize that sixteenth-century European fishing
    (15)
    crews had dismantled and exchanged parts of their
    ships for furs.

This is all the information we need to keep choice (C). Lines 14-16 explicitly matches what is stated by choice (C), while reading the paragraph as a whole confirms that that the "fishing crews" mentioned at the end of this paragraph are in fact the same ones that were mentioned "working the waters around Newfoundland" and trading with Native Americans.

Now let's take a look at choice (D):

Quote:
D. They commonly traded jewelry with Native Americans for furs.
Jewelry trading is never associated with the sixteenth-century European fishing crews that the question is asking us about. In fact, jewelry is not mentioned in the passage at all.

Choice (D) is not supported by anything in the passage, while (C) is explicitly supported by the passage.

I hope this helps!


Is B wrong just because of the word "Primarily". Otherwise it is mentioned that they proceeded in a Portugese vessel.

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Hi experts, for Q8, why is D better than B? Is B too strong?
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Hi experts, for Q8, why is D better than B? Is B too strong?

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Option (B) states: In general, the physical evidence pertaining to this trade has been more useful than the written evidence has been.

This is too wide ranging a statement to make basis the evidence presented in the passage. The passage does state that archaeologists discovered iron bolts and metal
pins in 16th century native American sites and that written evidence for the fur trade is dated later than when the trade began. However, this is not sufficient for us to draw the conclusion that written evidence has been less useful than physical evidence.

It is possible that the written evidence, even though from later than when the trade started, has been so detailed that it is as useful as the physical evidence. Remember, written evidence, even though from later than when the trade started, could have been discovered and studied much earlier than archaeological evidence. We do not have enough information from the passage to state which has been more useful.

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I don't know option C is correct for this one. Can someone explain:


I marked D, but couldn't understand why C is correct.

The passage supports which of the following statements about sixteenth-century European fishing crews working the waters off Newfoundland?

A. They wrote no accounts of their fishing voyages.
B. They primarily sailed under the flag of Portugal.
C. They exchanged ship parts with Native Americans for furs.
D. They commonly traded jewelry with Native Americans for furs.
E. They carried surplus metal implements to trade with Native Americans for furs.
To answer this question, we need to know precisely what the passage says about sixteenth-century European fishing crews working the waters off Newfoundland.

Lines 4-9 tell us that "fishing crews working the waters around Newfoundland" were the first Europeans to trade European-made goods with modern era Native Americans. Lines 9-16 elaborate on this trading, by telling us:

    ...Archaeologists had
    noticed that sixteenth-century Native American
    (10)
    sites were strewn with iron bolts and metal
    pins. Only later, upon reading Nicolas Denys’s
    1672 account of seventeenth-century European
    settlements in North America, did archaeologists
    realize that sixteenth-century European fishing
    (15)
    crews had dismantled and exchanged parts of their
    ships for furs.

This is all the information we need to keep choice (C). Lines 14-16 explicitly matches what is stated by choice (C), while reading the paragraph as a whole confirms that that the "fishing crews" mentioned at the end of this paragraph are in fact the same ones that were mentioned "working the waters around Newfoundland" and trading with Native Americans.

Now let's take a look at choice (D):

Quote:
D. They commonly traded jewelry with Native Americans for furs.
Jewelry trading is never associated with the sixteenth-century European fishing crews that the question is asking us about. In fact, jewelry is not mentioned in the passage at all.

Choice (D) is not supported by anything in the passage, while (C) is explicitly supported by the passage.

I hope this helps!


Is B wrong just because of the word "Primarily". Otherwise it is mentioned that they proceeded in a Portugese vessel.

And your SC videos are very helpful.( I know this question belongs to CR.)

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I'm glad that you've found the SC videos helpful, Gaurav!

As for question 7, answer choice (B):
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B. [Sixteenth-century European fishing crews working the waters off Newfoundland] primarily sailed under the flag of Portugal.
The passage mentions that one ship was Portuguese, but we have no idea whether the ships were primarily Portuguese. The passage doesn't support (B), so you can eliminate it.

I hope that helps!
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I understand why A is correct, but don't understand why E is incorrect. What does a sixteenth-century account of Native Americans mean in option E?

The author of the passage draws conclusions about the fur trade in North America from all of the following sources EXCEPT

A. Cartier’s accounts of trading with Native Americans Out
-> By the time Cartier sailed the Saint Lawrence River ten years later, Native Americans had traded with Europeans for more than thirty years
-> The passage did not mention the accounts of Cartier. We just know that the time of sailing of Cartier.

E. a sixteenth-century account of Native Americans in what is now New England
-> Archaeologists had noticed that sixteenth-century Native American sites were strewn with iron bolts and metal pins.
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I understand why A is correct, but don't understand why E is incorrect. What does a sixteenth-century account of Native Americans mean in option E?

The author of the passage draws conclusions about the fur trade in North America from all of the following sources EXCEPT

A. Cartier’s accounts of trading with Native Americans Out
-> By the time Cartier sailed the Saint Lawrence River ten years later, Native Americans had traded with Europeans for more than thirty years
-> The passage did not mention the accounts of Cartier. We just know that the time of sailing of Cartier.

E. a sixteenth-century account of Native Americans in what is now New England
-> Archaeologists had noticed that sixteenth-century Native American sites were strewn with iron bolts and metal pins.

This is what is given in the passage:

"Another early chronicler noted in 1524 that
Native Americans living along the coast of what is now
(25)
New England had become selective about European
trade goods: they accepted only knives, fishhooks,
and sharp metal."


This is the 16th century account of Native Americans. The author tells us that in 1501, a captain noticed that a Native American wore Venetian silver earrings (so trade was happening since before 1501). And in 1524, a chronicler noted that Native Americans accepted only sharp metal so trade had been happening.

Hence the author uses (E) to draw conclusions about the trade.
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Hi experts GMATNinja egmat and others :)

I have question about this question
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Which of the following best describes the primary function of lines 11–16?

B. It reveals how archaeologists arrived at an interpretation of the evidence mentioned in the preceding sentence.
C. It shows how scholars misinterpreted the significance of certain evidence mentioned in the preceding sentence.
From what I understand in the passage, should be option (C) rather than (B)?
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Preceding clause
Archaeologists had noticed that sixteenth-century Native American sites were strewn with iron bolts and metal.
Line 11-16
Only later, upon reading Nicolas Denys’s 1672 account of seventeenth-century European settlements in North America, did archaeologists realize that sixteenth-century European fishing crews had dismantled and exchanged parts of their ships for furs.
I think it should be (C) because the word "realize that .... = misinterpret sth and then just know that it is what they think" meaning that what Archaeologist had noticed previously is the significant evidence.
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Which of the following best describes the primary function of lines 11–16?

B. It reveals how archaeologists arrived at an interpretation of the evidence mentioned in the preceding sentence.
C. It shows how scholars misinterpreted the significance of certain evidence mentioned in the preceding sentence.
From what I understand in the passage, should be option (C) rather than (B)?
Quote:

Preceding clause
Archaeologists had noticed that sixteenth-century Native American sites were strewn with iron bolts and metal.
Line 11-16
Only later, upon reading Nicolas Denys’s 1672 account of seventeenth-century European settlements in North America, did archaeologists realize that sixteenth-century European fishing crews had dismantled and exchanged parts of their ships for furs.
I think it should be (C) because the word "realize that .... = misinterpret sth and then just know that it is what they think" meaning that what Archaeologist had noticed previously is the significant evidence.
The word "realized" doesn't necessarily mean that something was misinterpreted.

For example, I could discover that food is disappearing from my fridge. Later, I could realize that a stranger had been living in my attic for years and sneaking out at night to eat some of my beloved snacks. :angry:

There is no misinterpretation in the above example -- there's just a baffling situation, and then a realization about why that situation is happening. For the "realization" to correct a previous misinterpretation, there would need to be a previous interpretation. That previous interpretation just isn't there.

Similarly, the passage just tells us about a certain fact: "sixteenth-century Native American sites were strewn with iron bolts and metal pins." There is no interpretation offered to explain this situation.

Then, in lines 11-16, the author tells us about the archeologists' interpretation of the situation: "Only later, upon reading Nicolas Denys’s 1672 account of seventeenth-century European settlements in North America, did archaeologists realize that sixteenth-century European fishing crews had dismantled and exchanged parts of their ships for furs."

Because there's no misinterpretation of the significance of the iron bolts/metal pins, (C) is out for question 4.

(B) is a much better fit: how did archeologists find out that Europeans fishing crews had dismantled and exchanged parts of their ships? By reading Nicolas Denys’s 1672 account of seventeenth-century European settlements in North America.

Lines 11-16 reveal how archeologists arrived at their interpretation of the iron bolts/metal pins, so (B) is the answer to question 4.

I hope that helps!
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Can anyone explain the question 5 which is
It can be inferred from the passage that the author would agree with which of the following statements about the fur trade between Native Americans and Europeans in the early modern era?
A. This trade may have begun as early as the 1480s.
B. This trade probably did not continue much beyond the 1530s.
C. This trade was most likely at its peak in the mid-1520s.
D. This trade probably did not begin prior to 1500.
E. There is no written evidence of this trade prior to the seventeenth century.

Why not E? And why A?
The author claims that the fur trade was well underway by the time it was first recorded in 1501. Furthermore, the author says that by the time Cartier sailed the St. Lawrence (ten years after 1524, so 1534), Europeans may have been trading with Native Americans for a half century (50 years before 1534, so 1484). Thus, the author would agree that the trade may have begun as early as the 1480s, and choice (A) is correct.
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Hello Sir, I am bit confused with the calculation here!
So, if we think about 50 yrs (the highest one, not assuming 30 yrs), then the calculation result would be 1484, which is under 1480s. But, the correct choice A uses the word(s) as early, which could mean before 1480 (but our calculation result is 1484). The calculation does not make sense here to me. Am I missing anything? Could you clarify it, please?
Thank you very much.
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"As early as" is used to describe the earliest date or time we currently know to be possible. So if something takes 3-5 business days to arrive and I order on a Tuesday, we'd say the order may arrive "as early as Friday." This is the earliest date we're aware of for it to arrive, although we don't know for sure that it won't come sooner, and we certainly aren't saying it must come Friday or earlier.

In the case at hand, we have evidence that trade may have occurred in 1848. Since that's in the 1840's, we can say that this trade may have begun as early as the 1840's. This in no way implies anything about dates before 1848, although it doesn't write them off.
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Only later, upon reading Nicolas Denys’s 1672 account of seventeenth-century European settlements in North America, did archaeologists realize that sixteenth-century European fishing crews had dismantled and exchanged parts of their ships for furs.

Can someone explain to me the meaning of the above sentence?

As per my understanding, It is raising a question that archaeologists understood about fishing crew trade after reading Nicolas account or before reading it.

And it is still not 100% confirmed that European fishing crews had dismantled and exchanged parts of their ships for furs.

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Only later, upon reading Nicolas Denys’s 1672 account of seventeenth-century European settlements in North America, did archaeologists realize that sixteenth-century European fishing crews had dismantled and exchanged parts of their ships for furs.

Can someone explain to me the meaning of the above sentence?

As per my understanding, It is raising a question that archaeologists understood about fishing crew trade after reading Nicolas account or before reading it.

And it is still not 100% confirmed that European fishing crews had dismantled and exchanged parts of their ships for furs.

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This is not raising a question. It is a statement.
There is subject verb inversion here which happens commonly when we use negative adverbs such as only, hardly etc in the beginning of the sentence. Subject verb inversion does happen in questions and that is what confused you I assume.

Only later, upon reading ND's account ..., did archaeologists realize X

means

Only later archaeologists realized X upon reading ND's account.
i.e. they did not realise X at first. When they read ND's account, they realised it.

Another example of inversion:
Hardly had I woken up when my sister started yelling.

It means I had just woken up when my sister started yelling.
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HI KarishmaB ThatDudeKnows, 2 questions :

In question 46, I chose D over A because the archeological discoveries by themselves didn't tell anything. Only after Deny's accounts, some sense could be made out those discoveries. Is it incorrect because the discoveries eventually do tell us something about the trade?

In question 53, option E states that Nicolas Deny's accounts were "overlooked"? Does that make this option incorrect? Maybe the accounts were just discovered later and not exactly overlooked.
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HI KarishmaB ThatDudeKnows, 2 questions :

In question 46, I chose D over A because the archeological discoveries by themselves didn't tell anything. Only after Deny's accounts, some sense could be made out those discoveries. Is it incorrect because the discoveries eventually do tell us something about the trade?

In question 53, option E states that Nicolas Deny's accounts were "overlooked"? Does that make this option incorrect? Maybe the accounts were just discovered later and not exactly overlooked.

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46: Yep, your explanation is exactly right. The timing of when those findings help "draw conclusions about the fur trade in North America" is irrelevant, only that they did help. I think the more important take-away for you on this question is to revisit why you eliminated (A). (A) is a textbook GMAC Out-of-Scope answer choice where they get you to assume that someone did something just because wit would make sense. But all we hear about Cartier is that he sailed the Saint Laurence; we never hear a peep about his accounts of anything, much less his "accounts of trading with Native Americans."

53: I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but I think you've got it. Denys's account wasn't overlooked; in fact, it was the catalyst that led to archaeologists realizing something new about old evidence. If anything was "overlooked," it was the old evidence, not Denys's account. As with the previous question, I think the more important take-away is trying to figure out what it was about D that caused you to eliminate it. There were already previous questions on this passage for which doing the math on the years would have been helpful, so if you did that math for those questions, what was it about this one that made you not catch that you could apply the same knowledge on this question?
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HI KarishmaB ThatDudeKnows, 2 questions :

In question 46, I chose D over A because the archeological discoveries by themselves didn't tell anything. Only after Deny's accounts, some sense could be made out those discoveries. Is it incorrect because the discoveries eventually do tell us something about the trade?

In question 53, option E states that Nicolas Deny's accounts were "overlooked"? Does that make this option incorrect? Maybe the accounts were just discovered later and not exactly overlooked.

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46: Yep, your explanation is exactly right. The timing of when those findings help "draw conclusions about the fur trade in North America" is irrelevant, only that they did help. I think the more important take-away for you on this question is to revisit why you eliminated (A). (A) is a textbook GMAC Out-of-Scope answer choice where they get you to assume that someone did something just because wit would make sense. But all we hear about Cartier is that he sailed the Saint Laurence; we never hear a peep about his accounts of anything, much less his "accounts of trading with Native Americans."

53: I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but I think you've got it. Denys's account wasn't overlooked; in fact, it was the catalyst that led to archaeologists realizing something new about old evidence. If anything was "overlooked," it was the old evidence, not Denys's account. As with the previous question, I think the more important take-away is trying to figure out what it was about D that caused you to eliminate it. There were already previous questions on this passage for which doing the math on the years would have been helpful, so if you did that math for those questions, what was it about this one that made you not catch that you could apply the same knowledge on this question?

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Thanks for a prompt response!
Taking your advice, I tried to reflect upon my thought process and to understand as to what made me eliminate D. Honestly, I couldn't eliminate D. I kind of thought D was not very specific. I thought E was stronger as it related directly to the passage as Deny's accounts seems to give some sort of turning point to the passage. Now I understand that the exact wording of option E does not resonate with the given passage. Maybe I fell for the dreaded shell game?
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HI KarishmaB ThatDudeKnows, 2 questions :

In question 46, I chose D over A because the archeological discoveries by themselves didn't tell anything. Only after Deny's accounts, some sense could be made out those discoveries. Is it incorrect because the discoveries eventually do tell us something about the trade?

In question 53, option E states that Nicolas Deny's accounts were "overlooked"? Does that make this option incorrect? Maybe the accounts were just discovered later and not exactly overlooked.

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46: Yep, your explanation is exactly right. The timing of when those findings help "draw conclusions about the fur trade in North America" is irrelevant, only that they did help. I think the more important take-away for you on this question is to revisit why you eliminated (A). (A) is a textbook GMAC Out-of-Scope answer choice where they get you to assume that someone did something just because wit would make sense. But all we hear about Cartier is that he sailed the Saint Laurence; we never hear a peep about his accounts of anything, much less his "accounts of trading with Native Americans."

53: I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but I think you've got it. Denys's account wasn't overlooked; in fact, it was the catalyst that led to archaeologists realizing something new about old evidence. If anything was "overlooked," it was the old evidence, not Denys's account. As with the previous question, I think the more important take-away is trying to figure out what it was about D that caused you to eliminate it. There were already previous questions on this passage for which doing the math on the years would have been helpful, so if you did that math for those questions, what was it about this one that made you not catch that you could apply the same knowledge on this question?

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Thanks for a prompt response!
Taking your advice, I tried to reflect upon my thought process and to understand as to what made me eliminate D. Honestly, I couldn't eliminate D. I kind of thought D was not very specific. I thought E was stronger as it related directly to the passage as Deny's accounts seems to give some sort of turning point to the passage. Now I understand that the exact wording of option E does not resonate with the given passage. Maybe I fell for the dreaded shell game?

Partially Wrong is Totally Wrong.
You are far better off using process of elimination to identify four wrong answers than you are looking for the one right answer. A lot of students are good at using PoE to get rid of three answer choices…and then once they get down to two, they flip to looking for which one is right. You may need to do this on occasion, but it’s rare (much rarer than many test-takers think...maybe once or twice per test). As a general rule, you’ll want to get good at sticking with process of elimination. This is because there is one right answer and the other four are demonstrably wrong. They’re not just not as good. They’re wrong. And a lot of times, the test writers make a wrong answer sound really good except for one little issue that makes it so that you should eliminate it. Maybe the part that sounds good sounds even better than the answer that ends up being right…but that one little thing makes it wrong. The most delicious bowl of ice cream would be completely ruined by drizzling mustard on it. And when you look for the right answer instead of the wrong one, you fall right into the trap and eat that nasty ice cream. Look for the mustard, not the ice cream.
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I too don't understand why E is incorrect. What does a sixteenth-century account of Native Americans mean in option E?


The author tells us that in 1501, a captain (European) noticed that a Native American wore Venetian silver earrings (so trade was happening since before 1501). And in 1524, a chronicler noted that Native Americans accepted only sharp metal so trade had been happening.

Are NOT the captain and the chronicler, both Europeans...? How can one say that these (observations about natives by Europeans) are (records of) native Americans...?

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I understand why A is correct, but don't understand why E is incorrect. What does a sixteenth-century account of Native Americans mean in option E?

The author of the passage draws conclusions about the fur trade in North America from all of the following sources EXCEPT

A. Cartier’s accounts of trading with Native Americans Out
-> By the time Cartier sailed the Saint Lawrence River ten years later, Native Americans had traded with Europeans for more than thirty years
-> The passage did not mention the accounts of Cartier. We just know that the time of sailing of Cartier.

E. a sixteenth-century account of Native Americans in what is now New England
-> Archaeologists had noticed that sixteenth-century Native American sites were strewn with iron bolts and metal pins.

This is what is given in the passage:

"Another early chronicler noted in 1524 that
Native Americans living along the coast of what is now
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New England had become selective about European
trade goods: they accepted only knives, fishhooks,
and sharp metal."


This is the 16th century account of Native Americans. The author tells us that in 1501, a captain noticed that a Native American wore Venetian silver earrings (so trade was happening since before 1501). And in 1524, a chronicler noted that Native Americans accepted only sharp metal so trade had been happening.

Hence the author uses (E) to draw conclusions about the trade.


Further on this question, I have doubts about B and E due to reasoning below:


The author of the passage draws conclusions about the fur trade in North America from all of the following sources EXCEPT


E. a sixteenth-century account of Native Americans in what is now New England
>>I selected E because of accounts of Native americans. Author didn't find accounts of any NATIVE AMERICANS but all accounts were of EUROPEANS. Isn't it?
account doesn't mean some content by him. native americans had not recorded anything.
please comment.


please suggest what's wrong with my reasoning for A, B and E :cry:
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