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The acrobatic show will begin at 6 p.m. and continue until audience interest lasts.

A. will begin at 6 p.m. and continue until audience interest lasts
B. begins at 6 p.m., continuing until audience interest lasts
C. will begin at 6 p.m. and, until audience interest lasts, will continue
D. begins at 6 p.m. and, as long as audience interest lasts, it continues
E. will begin at 6 p.m. and continue as long as audience interest lasts

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“Will begin” vs.“begins” (future tense, therefore “will”). Parallel construction (begin and continue). “Until” vs. “as long as”: “until”is followed by the end point whereas “as long as” shows a continuity.

1. ...This is not the intended meaning. 'as long as' and not 'until' is required. This seems to stay that the show will stop if audience interest lasts.
2. ...begins......continuing...... - Wrong transition. The action ‘continuing’ is not a subordinate action to ‘begins’.
3. ….will begin......... and will continue – May seem parallel at first, but note that the choice is wordier. Choice E, the correct answer gives just ‘one’ ‘will’ as common to both actions ‘begin’ and ‘continue’.
4. ....., it continues..... - The pronoun ‘it’ is avoidable and is wordy.
5. CORRECT

Answer: E.


Hi,
i donot feel the reasons given to eliminate A are valid.

1) “until”is followed by the end point whereas “as long as” shows a continuity.---
'until' also means the following
1. Up to the time that: We walked until it got dark.
2. Before: You cannot leave until your work is finished.
3. To the point or extent that: I talked until I was hoarse
the meaning here is that the show will continue till the audience have interest in it.. so the end point has ofcourse been given " till audience interest lasts"...

2) This is not the intended meaning. 'as long as' and not 'until' is required. This seems to stay that the show will stop if audience interest lasts.
I do not think the meaning by using until is--This seems to stay that the show will stop if audience interest lasts..
it means show will stop if the audience does not have any further interest in it...
And A also conveys the same meaning and E too conveys the same thing...

Now 'A' is conveying a logical meaning and you say that it is not the intended meaning...
The original sentence, if it is logical, will ofcourse take priority over any other meanings..

If one says that "although both A and E are correct, E is slightly better"-- it can be agreed to..
but if you say that A is wrong for various reasons mentioned by the Source, i am afraid they are wrong..


I am confused about option E. Here is my analogy to support option A.
I'll boil water until rice is cooked.
>>if rice is cooked, then i'll stop boiling.

I'll boil water as long as rice is cooked.
>> after rice is cooked, i'll STILL boil the water. Every work has objective. Here, my objective is to cook rice. If my objective is successful, why will I carry on my works--Experts?
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The acrobatic show will begin at 6 p.m. and continue until audience interest lasts.

A. will begin at 6 p.m. and continue until audience interest lasts
B. begins at 6 p.m., continuing until audience interest lasts --- Begins and continuing are not parallel
C. will begin at 6 p.m. and, until audience interest lasts, will continue ---- Will begin and will continue is better form of sentence construction, rather than placing will continue at the end.
D. begins at 6 p.m. and, as long as audience interest lasts, it continues --- Usage of Future tense is more preferable for action begins and continues rather than present tense as the action takes place in future tense
E. will begin at 6 p.m. and continue as long as audience interest lasts

Between choice A and E, the only difference is usage of "until" and "as long as". Until represents the change of action, while as long as represents till when the action will take place. For instance,
The Shop will sell candy until 6pm. --> No matter what the shop stops selling candy at 6pm, even if candies are still available.
The Shop will sell candy as long as stock lasts --> Here there is no time limit and the shop will sell candies as long as they are available.

So until needs a definite time frame to limit the action. Therefore in this sentence as long as sounds a better choice as the show will continue as long as the audience have interest. There s no definite time-frame. So I go with option E.


I am confused about option E. Here is my analogy to support option A.
I'll boil water until rice is cooked.
>>if rice is cooked, then i'll stop boiling.

I'll boil water as long as rice is cooked.
>> after rice is cooked, i'll STILL boil the water. Every work has objective. Here, my objective is to cook rice. If my objective is successful, why will I carry on my works--Experts?
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In "A" "Until" indicates that the moment audience interest goes the show immediately stops. Interest of the audience cannot be compared to the cooking rice – the rice stays begins as uncooked, slowly gets cooked and gets completely cooked at a fixed time when the boiling of the water has to be stopped. This is different from the interest level of audience.
In "E" "As long as" implies for the whole duration the audience has interest the show continues.
Hence E is more logical.
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AryamaDuttaSaikia wrote:
In "A" "Until" indicates that the moment audience interest goes the show immediately stops. Interest of the audience cannot be compared to the cooking rice – the rice stays begins as uncooked, slowly gets cooked and gets completely cooked at a fixed time when the boiling of the water has to be stopped. This is different from the interest level of audience.
In "E" "As long as" implies for the whole duration the audience has interest the show continues.
Hence E is more logical.


well. I'm giving some other examples to legitimate the answer option 'A'.

Hi AryamaDuttaSaikia,
If I say:
Please write the answer script until you answer the full marks.

Note: I intend to mean that when you answer full marks then you will stop writing. So, here until is correct.

But, if I say:
Please write the answer script as long as you answer the full marks.

Note: Here, My intended meaning is totally different to the first one. Now, you will be astonished that HOW does a student write on the answer script after answering full marks? Ok. I’m telling you the secret matter how does a student write MORE after answering the full marks within a certain time. Suppose you are in exam hall. Your duty is to answer full marks (100 marks) within 2 hours (120 minutes). When it is 90 minutes, you answered all the questions (equivalent to 100 marks). You are still left 30 minutes. WHAT will you do now? Will you go out from the exam hall? I think it will be wrong decision to go out from the exam hall! Here, you should modify, check, re-check and ADD MORE POINT and give example with every NEW point you wrote. Now, your question is HOW will you get the blank space to ADD MORE point in the answer script? Actually, the secret matter is: you put one half (1/2) blank page for every question so that you CAN write SOMETHING MORE if you finish your exam before 120 minutes. But, remember that you’ve finished your exam (writing 100 marks) in 90 minutes. Now, you are still writing for last 30 minutes. So, my question is: WHICH one will you use? UNTIL or AS LONG AS in this regard?

I will ask this question in this forum until I get the solution.. This sentence is perfectly fine-there is no oppose about this sentence.

I will ask this question in this forum as long as I get the solution.
>>This is very bad-we should not ask any question for several times after getting the proper answer. So, this sentence is not legitimate at all. If I am in my target (I'll boil water until rice is cooked-the target is cooking rice), why do I ask any question again and again? I should not do it, isn’t it?

I will ask this question in this forum as long as I get the solution for better understand.
This is legitimate sentence. Here, better understand indicates WHY I ask this question for several time. This indicates the actual reason for asking this question again and again.

In the original question (the acrobatic show…), the questioner did not mention any specific reason WHY the acrobatic show will continue after getting interest. So, I think, ‘until’ is correct in the original question not ‘as long as'.

also, I want to have attention to all the verbal expert of GMAT CLUB. Please, correct me, if I'm wrong.
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well. I'm giving some other examples to legitimate the answer option 'A'.
Option A doesn't sound right. We need an "end point" after until.

The acrobatic show will begin at 6 p.m. and continue until audience interest lasts.
should actually be
The acrobatic show will begin at 6 p.m. and continue until audience interest ends.

But this is just a quick reply until Aryama gets back to you.
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well. I'm giving some other examples to legitimate the answer option 'A'.
Option A doesn't sound right. We need an "end point" after until.

The acrobatic show will begin at 6 p.m. and continue until audience interest lasts.
should actually be
The acrobatic show will begin at 6 p.m. and continue until audience interest ends.

But this is just a quick reply until Aryama gets back to you.


Hi AjiteshArun,
I haven't got any response yet. I'm waiting for Jamboree response. Thanks...
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I haven't got any response yet. I'm waiting for Jamboree response. Thanks...
I haven't gone through all the other responses, but I'll try to help you out. There are two major points I think we should discuss: (a) the change in meaning and (b) whether some constructions are impossible.

We'll not leave until the police arrive.
and
We'll not leave as long as the police arrive.

The first one gives us something after which we can "leave" (an event or a time). The second one, however, changes the meaning (it becomes a conditional statement). The second basically says that if the police "arrive", we'll not leave.

We'll not leave as long as the police continue locking innocent people up.

This one is possible.

We'll leave as long as the police (also) leave.

In this one the "duration" meaning is not possible (this is actually a condition).

Now for the two sentences you are interested in:
(a) The acrobatic show will begin at 6 p.m. and continue until audience interest lasts.
audience interest lasts doesn't give us an "event" or "particular time". Instead, it gives us a "duration". This construction is not possible. I'm still going by sound on this one though. You're welcome to ask for a second opinion.

(b)
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I will ask this question in this forum as long as I get the solution.
>>This is very bad-we should not ask any question for several times after getting the proper answer. So, this sentence is not legitimate at all. If I am in my target (I'll boil water until rice is cooked-the target is cooking rice), why do I ask any question again and again? I should not do it, isn’t it?

I will ask this question in this forum as long as I get the solution for better understand.
This is legitimate sentence. Here, better understand indicates WHY I ask this question for several time. This indicates the actual reason for asking this question again and again.

In the original question (the acrobatic show…), the questioner did not mention any specific reason WHY the acrobatic show will continue after getting interest. So, I think, ‘until’ is correct in the original question not ‘as long as'.

also, I want to have attention to all the verbal expert of GMAT CLUB. Please, correct me, if I'm wrong.
Unfortunately, both the sentences are incorrect. Even if we ignore other mistakes, we just can't say

I will ask this question in this forum as long as I get the solution for better understanding.

The problem is that we don't want to ask the question as long as we get a solution. We want to ask the question as long as it remains unanswered (again, we're going for the "duration" meaning, not the conditional statement). A shorter example is:

You won't know until you try.
Once you try, you'll know.

You won't know as long as you try.
If you keep trying, you won't know.
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begins is wrong usage as it can be used in simple present tense only
Correct usage is will begin
option C doesn't make much sense
only in option E, modifier error is being taken care of
correct answer - E
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Hi AjiteshArun,
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I haven't gone through all the other responses, but I'll try to help you out. There are two major points I think we should discuss: (a) the change in meaning and (b) whether some constructions are impossible.

We'll not leave until the police arrive.
and
We'll not leave as long as the police arrive.

The first one gives us something after which we can "leave" (an event or a time). The second one, however, changes the meaning (it becomes a conditional statement). The second basically says that if the police "arrive", we'll not leave.

We'll not leave as long as the police continue locking innocent people up.

This one is possible.

We'll leave as long as the police (also) leave.

In this one the "duration" meaning is not possible (this is actually a condition).

Now for the two sentences you are interested in:
(a) The acrobatic show will begin at 6 p.m. and continue until audience interest lasts.
audience interest lasts doesn't give us an "event" or "particular time". Instead, it gives us a "duration". This construction is not possible. I'm still going by sound on this one though. You're welcome to ask for a second opinion.

(b)
iMyself wrote:
I will ask this question in this forum as long as I get the solution.
>>This is very bad-we should not ask any question for several times after getting the proper answer. So, this sentence is not legitimate at all. If I am in my target (I'll boil water until rice is cooked-the target is cooking rice), why do I ask any question again and again? I should not do it, isn’t it?

I will ask this question in this forum as long as I get the solution for better understand.
This is legitimate sentence. Here, better understand indicates WHY I ask this question for several time. This indicates the actual reason for asking this question again and again.

In the original question (the acrobatic show…), the questioner did not mention any specific reason WHY the acrobatic show will continue after getting interest. So, I think, ‘until’ is correct in the original question not ‘as long as'.

also, I want to have attention to all the verbal expert of GMAT CLUB. Please, correct me, if I'm wrong.
Unfortunately, both the sentences are incorrect. Even if we ignore other mistakes, we just can't say

I will ask this question in this forum as long as I get the solution for better understanding.

The problem is that we don't want to ask the question as long as we get a solution. We want to ask the question as long as it remains unanswered (again, we're going for the "duration" meaning, not the conditional statement). A shorter example is:

You won't know until you try.
Once you try, you'll know.

You won't know as long as you try.
If you keep trying, you won't know.


AjiteshArun : Great explanation and worthy to learn.
But, Is this question worthy to lose my sleep as I also marked A ? :roll:
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AjiteshArun : Great explanation and worthy to learn.
But, Is this question worthy to lose my sleep as I also marked A ? :roll:
The probability that you will get a question that tests this is very small, but more generally, you should not worry too much about getting a question wrong, as every mistake is just an opportunity to learn something (and while everyone makes mistakes, not everyone makes an effort to learn from them). So look at it this way: maybe you should feel better now that there is one less (small) thing that you have to worry about on the exam. :)

Also, this question appears to be based on a very old GMAT question (almost word for word).
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