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3) The passage suggests that, with regard to the history of women’s education in the United States, Kerber’s work differs from Woody’s primarily concerning which of the following?

(A) The extent to which women were interested in pursuing educational opportunities in the eighteenth century
(B) The extent of the support for educational opportunities for girls prior to the American Revolution
(C) The extent of public resistance to educational opportunities for women after the American Revolution
(D) Whether attitudes toward women’s educational opportunities changed during the eighteenth century
(E) Whether women needed to be educated in order to contribute to the success of a republican form of government


Hi AjiteshArun, GMATNinja, VeritasKarishma

I have a doubt in option choice B, wouldn't the word "women" be more appropriate than the word "girls" ?

(B) The extent of the support for educational opportunities for "women" prior to the American Revolution
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3) The passage suggests that, with regard to the history of women’s education in the United States, Kerber’s work differs from Woody’s primarily concerning which of the following?

(A) The extent to which women were interested in pursuing educational opportunities in the eighteenth century
(B) The extent of the support for educational opportunities for girls prior to the American Revolution
(C) The extent of public resistance to educational opportunities for women after the American Revolution
(D) Whether attitudes toward women’s educational opportunities changed during the eighteenth century
(E) Whether women needed to be educated in order to contribute to the success of a republican form of government


Hi AjiteshArun, GMATNinja, VeritasKarishma

I have a doubt in option choice B, wouldn't the word "women" be more appropriate than the word "girls" ?

(B) The extent of the support for educational opportunities for "women" prior to the American Revolution


Thomas Woody’s 1929 work is the notable exception. Examining newspaper advertisements for academies, Woody found that educational opportunities increased for both girls and boys around 1750.

The passage talks about educational opportunities for girls and boys (i.e. for young people). Woody believed that there were advocates of education for females even before the revolution.
Hence, the use of 'girls' is not a problem. Even if the passage did not mention 'girls' per say, use of girls or females in place of women would be acceptable. One needn't make a distinction based on it.
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Woody’s evidence challenges the notion that the Revolution changed attitudes regarding female education, although it may have accelerated earlier trends.
what the earlier accelerated trends refers to
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Woody’s evidence challenges the notion that the Revolution changed attitudes regarding female education, although it may have accelerated earlier trends.
what the earlier accelerated trends refers to
A rare question about the passage itself, saby1410, but a type that I think deserves more attention. (When people focus on a particular missed question, the root cause is often a misunderstanding or lack of comprehension of the source material.) Although I believe the sentence itself provides sufficient contextual information for a reader to make an informed guess—trends occur around some cause, and the only cause mentioned is attitudes regarding female education—we can look to other parts of the paragraph to be sure.

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Introduction of the republican motherhood thesis dramatically changed historiography. Prior to Kerber’s work, educational historians barely mentioned women and girls; Thomas Woody’s 1929 work is the notable exception. Examining newspaper advertisements for academies, Woody found that educational opportunities increased for both girls and boys around 1750. Pointing to “An Essay on Woman” (1753) as reflecting a shift in view, Woody also claimed that practical education for females had many advocates before the Revolution. Woody’s evidence challenges the notion that the Revolution changed attitudes regarding female education, although it may have accelerated earlier trends. Historians’ reliance on Kerber’s “republican motherhood” thesis may have obscured the presence of these trends, making it difficult to determine to what extent the Revolution really changed women’s lives.
The paragraph presents a consistent picture that the trends in question refer to a shift in attitudes regarding practical education for females. The passage on the whole pits the "republican motherhood" hypothesis of the first paragraph, which sees the American Revolution as the turning point in attitudes toward educational opportunities for women, against the hypothesis of Thomas Woody, which draws on evidence of a shift in view that predates the Revolution by about two decades.

Perhaps that makes more sense now. Thank you for thinking to ask.

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what exactly is Linda kerber is arguing here?
after american revolution, an ideology of "american motherhood" resulted surge of educational opportunities for women.
So, she agree with this or not?
I don't understand, what is she arguing?
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Hello,
what exactly is Linda kerber is arguing here?
after american revolution, an ideology of "american motherhood" resulted surge of educational opportunities for women.
So, she agree with this or not?
I don't understand, what is she arguing?
You're focusing on the right sentence. Right at the start of the passage, the author tells us that "Linda Kerber argued in the mid-1980’s that after the American Revolution (1775-1783), an ideology of “republican motherhood” resulted in a surge of educational opportunities for women in the United States."

So, Kerber definitely agrees with the info in this sentence. She argues that things changed for women in the US after the American Revolution.

This argument contrasts with Woody's view, which is discussed in the second paragraph. Woody thinks that things didn't really change for women in the US after the Revolution. Instead, he thinks that the trend of increased education for women was already present before the Revolution.

I hope that helps!
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what exactly is Linda kerber is arguing here?
after american revolution, an ideology of "american motherhood" resulted surge of educational opportunities for women.
So, she agree with this or not?
I don't understand, what is she arguing?
You're focusing on the right sentence. Right at the start of the passage, the author tells us that "Linda Kerber argued in the mid-1980’s that after the American Revolution (1775-1783), an ideology of “republican motherhood” resulted in a surge of educational opportunities for women in the United States."

So, Kerber definitely agrees with the info in this sentence. She argues that things changed for women in the US after the American Revolution.

This argument contrasts with Woody's view, which is discussed in the second paragraph. Woody thinks that things didn't really change for women in the US after the Revolution. Instead, he thinks that the trend of increased education for women was already present before the Revolution.

I hope that helps!

Thank you GMATNinja for your response,
but I think my issue is pretty basic.

so when author says Kerber argues that things changed for US women after the American revolution.
according to you- she agrees that things really change for american women (woody disagrees and argument meakes complete sense now) but,
what type of construction is this? Argue means to express opposite views , hence when I read the sentence,
she has opposite views with changing of things for American women. I thought she disagrees.


Can you please help to fill these knowledge gap?
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what exactly is Linda kerber is arguing here?
after american revolution, an ideology of "american motherhood" resulted surge of educational opportunities for women.
So, she agree with this or not?
I don't understand, what is she arguing?
You're focusing on the right sentence. Right at the start of the passage, the author tells us that "Linda Kerber argued in the mid-1980’s that after the American Revolution (1775-1783), an ideology of “republican motherhood” resulted in a surge of educational opportunities for women in the United States."

So, Kerber definitely agrees with the info in this sentence. She argues that things changed for women in the US after the American Revolution.

This argument contrasts with Woody's view, which is discussed in the second paragraph. Woody thinks that things didn't really change for women in the US after the Revolution. Instead, he thinks that the trend of increased education for women was already present before the Revolution.

I hope that helps!

Thank you GMATNinja for your response,
but I think my issue is pretty basic.

so when author says Kerber argues that things changed for US women after the American revolution.
according to you- she agrees that things really change for american women (woody disagrees and argument meakes complete sense now) but,
what type of construction is this? Argue means to express opposite views , hence when I read the sentence,
she has opposite views with changing of things for American women. I thought she disagrees.


Can you please help to fill these knowledge gap?
"Argue" has two different definitions.

Here, "argue" means "to give reasons or cite evidence in support of an idea, action, or theory, typically with the aim of persuading others to share one's view." You can tell that this is the definition in use because of the logic of the passage -- the author lays out Kerber's reasons for believing what she believes.

The second definition -- which is the one you're thinking of -- is "to exchange or express diverging or opposite views, typically in a heated or angry way." As an example of this second definition, you could say "They argued about whether gruyere was really the best cheese." This is not how "argue" is used in the passage.

I hope that helps!
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Remember that in this passage, the author is analyzing the views of two different writers. In paragraph 1, the author tells us about Kerber's work in order to explain the "republican motherhood" thesis. In paragraph 2, the author tells us about Woody's work in order to question historians' reliance on that thesis.

This question is asking us which of the following five claims Woody (not Kerber, not the author) would have agreed with, regarding "An Essay on Woman" (not the thesis of republican motherhood in general). We'll eliminate any choice that doesn't specifically line up with Woody's view regarding this specific essay.

And what was Woody's view?


"Examining newspaper advertisements for academies, Woody found that educational opportunities increased for both girls and boys around 1750. Pointing to “An Essay on Woman” (1753) as reflecting a shift in view, Woody also claimed that practical education for females had many advocates before the Revolution."

OK, Woody! Time for POE.


(A) seems to match Woody's view in a very straightforward way. After all, Woody found that educational opportunities did increase for both genders around 1750. Woody also pointed to the essay (which was published in 1753) as reflecting a shift in view (i.e, a change in attitude) with regards to practical education for females. We'll keep this around until we find a better choice or eliminate everything else.


There's nothing to support the claim that Woody saw the essay this way. When describing Woody's claims, the author doesn't suggest any persuasive impact of the essay on educators and what those educators offered during the 1750s. Sure, Woody points to many advocates for practical education, but this is quite different from describing literal educators. Eliminate (B).


(C) sounds good, but what exactly is it saying?

  • The essay articulated ideas about women's education. Fair enough.
  • These ideas would not be realized until after the American Revolution. Wait, what?

This totally clashes with what Woody claimed: That educational opportunities began increasing around 1750, that this shift in view was reflected by the essay in 1753, and that practical education had many advocates before the Revolution. Choice (C) paints a different picture, where no concrete change took place until at least 1783. That might have been in line with Kerber's thesis, but it's not what Woody believed.

That's why we eliminate (C).


Nope. Nothing in the passage tells us that Woody viewed the essay as "one of the most original arguments in favor of women's education." Eliminate (D).


This very well could be true, but there's absolutely nothing in the passage that gives us a clue to how controversial Woody's ideas were. We only know that Woody's ideas were a notable exception among educational historians. Eliminate (E).

(A) is a boring choice, but it's the best one available. Every other choice either contradicts the passage, focuses on the wrong point of view, or makes a statement that drifts so far form the passage that it can't be supported.

I hope this helps!

GMATNinja

To clarify, the "new educational opportunities" are the ones in which "the new nation wanted women to be educated in order to raise politically virtuous sons" correct? I was just a bit confused on what the passage meant by "new educational opportunities" in particular. Thank you for all of your help.
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To clarify, the "new educational opportunities" are the ones in which "the new nation wanted women to be educated in order to raise politically virtuous sons" correct? I was just a bit confused on what the passage meant by "new educational opportunities" in particular. Thank you for all of your help.
This passage starts out by giving us Linda Kerber's argument. More specifically, Kerber argues that "new educational opportunities for women" surged because of an "ideology of 'republican motherhood.'" In other words, this new ideology led to a surge in educational opportunities for women.

The next sentence explains what Kerber means by an "ideology of 'republican motherhood.'" Namely, "republican motherhood" is the belief that educating women will allow them to raise politically virtuous sons.

Notice the passage never actually gives us an example of these "new educational opportunities." So I wouldn't say the sentence about "politically virtuous sons" is an educational opportunity itself, but rather an explanation for why these educational opportunities arose. Instead of describing these educational opportunities or giving examples of them, the passage then focuses on the idea of "republican motherhood," and the way different historians have viewed the history of women's education.

I hope that helps!
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As per your post, you have mentioned that D is not the answer because it refers tp the 18th century and not the revolution, but the American Revolution lasted until before the end of the 18th century, 1775-1783.
If the American Revolution, lasted until 1799, then AFTER the American revolution would be the 19th century and BEFORE the American Revolution would be 18th century. I am not quite satisfied with your line of reasoning, though, I really appreciate your efforts and the time your team takes.

Moreover, only if attitudes were different, support for opportunities could differ, right?

So, D should be the answer.
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As per your post, you have mentioned that D is not the answer because it refers tp the 18th century and not the revolution, but the American Revolution lasted until before the end of the 18th century, 1775-1783.
If the American Revolution, lasted until 1799, then AFTER the American revolution would be the 19th century and BEFORE the American Revolution would be 18th century. I am not quite satisfied with your line of reasoning, though, I really appreciate your efforts and the time your team takes.

Moreover, only if attitudes were different, support for opportunities could differ, right?

So, D should be the answer.
Question 3 asks us how Kerber's views and Woody's views differ. From the passage, we know that Kerber thought that the 18th century American Revolution changed attitudes about women's education. Woody, on the other hand, thought that these attitudes actually changed earlier in the 18th century, before the American Revolution.

Here's (D):
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(D) [Kerber’s work differs from Woody’s primarily concerning] whether attitudes toward women’s educational opportunities changed during the eighteenth century
BOTH Kerber and Woody thought that attitudes changed in the 18th century -- they just disagree about the exact timeframe within that century. Woody thought that they had changed by 1753, while Kerber thought that they changed as a result of the Revolution (1775-1783).

Because both Kerber and Woody agree that attitudes changed in the 18th century, (D) doesn't point out a difference in their ideas.

Eliminate (D) for question 3.

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Hi GMATNinja, Experts,

IF the option D for the 3rd question mentioned the revolution instead of 18th century, it would have been correct, right ?
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3) The passage suggests that, with regard to the history of women’s education in the United States, Kerber’s work differs from Woody’s primarily concerning which of the following?

A. The extent to which women were interested in pursuing educational opportunities in the eighteenth century
B. The extent of the support for educational opportunities for girls prior to the American Revolution
C. The extent of public resistance to educational opportunities for women after the American Revolution
D. Whether attitudes toward women’s educational opportunities changed during the eighteenth century
E. Whether women needed to be educated in order to contribute to the success of a republican form of government
Kerber argued that the change occurred because of the Revolution. "Woody’s evidence challenges the notion that the Revolution changed attitudes regarding female education, although it may have accelerated earlier trends." Woody believed that the shift in attitudes occurred before the Revolution (in the 1750s). So, yes, choice (D) could potentially be edited into a correct answer by referring to the Revolution instead of the 18th century.

But GMATNinja - The passage says "Linda Kerber argued in the mid-1980’s that after the American Revolution (1775-1783), an ideology of “republican motherhood” resulted in a surge of educational opportunities for women"
Notice the word "surge" here. Even Kerber is aligned with Woody (who says that revolution may just have accelerated trends). In light of this, how can we certainly say that they differed in the "extent of support both thought was available for women prior to American revolution" ?
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But GMATNinja - The passage says "Linda Kerber argued in the mid-1980’s that after the American Revolution (1775-1783), an ideology of “republican motherhood” resulted in a surge of educational opportunities for women"
Notice the word "surge" here. Even Kerber is aligned with Woody (who says that revolution may just have accelerated trends). In light of this, how can we certainly say that they differed in the "extent of support both thought was available for women prior to American revolution" ?
You raise exactly the right question: are Kerber and Woody aligned? Or do they disagree? More specifically, how are their views on the effect of the Revolution on female education similar or different?

To get some clarity on this issue, let's consider the structure of the passage as a whole, starting with the purpose of each paragraph:

  • Paragraph 1: To present Linda Kerber's thesis that "an ideology of “republican motherhood” resulted in a surge of educational opportunities for women."
  • Paragraph 2: To present evidence that challenges Kerber's thesis that "the Revolution changed attitudes regarding female education."

How do we arrive at this purpose for paragraph 2?

Notice the second-to-last sentence of the second paragraph tells us that Woody's evidence "challenges the notion that the Revolution changed attitudes..." But why is the author mentioning this notion? Who felt that the Revolution "changed attitudes?" Well, the most logical interpretation, based on the structure of the passage, would be this is Kerber's notion.

To confirm this suspicion, notice the next sentence tells us that a "reliance" on Kerber's ideas may have obscured "these trends." Notice "these trends" is referring to Woody's idea that educational opportunities for females were already increasing in 1750. So Kerber's ideas "obscured" Woody's ideas.

Taken together, it's clear the author feels that Woody's ideas and Kerber's ideas are opposed. More specifically, Woody thought the trends began in 1750, before the Revolution. Kerber's work "obscures" this trend, because Kerber thought that "the Revolution changed attitudes."

From another angle: does a close reading of the word "surged" help in comparing Woody to Kerber? Not all that much. If opportunities surged after the Revolution, does that mean they were already high before hand? Not necessarily. You could surge from 50 to 100, or you could surge from 1 to 100. So unfortunately, the fact that Kerber thought educational opportunities "surged" doesn't necessarily mean she agrees with Woody, who thought opportunities had already increased around 1750.

Considering all of that, let's examine answer choice (B):

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3) The passage suggests that, with regard to the history of women’s education in the United States, Kerber’s work differs from Woody’s primarily concerning which of the following?

(B) The extent of the support for educational opportunities for girls prior to the American Revolution
Recall the main purpose of the last paragraph - to tell us that Woody's evidence calls Kerber's thesis into question. Kerber thought the Revolution changed attitudes towards women's education. Woody thought the trend already began in 1750.

So it makes sense to say they disagreed about the "extent of support for educational opportunities for girls prior to the American revolution." For that reason, (B) is correct.

I hope that helps!
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In #3, it is clearly asking about how the attitude towards women's education has changed and not "the extent of support". I understand the entire 18th century is mentioned here and that may be reason for eliminating this option, but "the extent of support" creates an ambiguity for the correct option choice. What do you suggest here ?

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Hi GMATNinja

In #3, it is clearly asking about how the attitude towards women's education has changed and not "the extent of support". I understand the entire 18th century is mentioned here and that may be reason for eliminating this option, but "the extent of support" creates an ambiguity for the correct option choice. What do you suggest here ?

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To see why (B) is correct, and how the phrase "the extent of support" contributes to the right answer, let's start by considering some key points in the passage.

  • Linda Kerber argues the American Revolution led to an ideology of "republican motherhood."
  • According to Kerber, this ideology held that women needed to be educated, so they could raise politically virtuous sons.
  • Kerber argues that this new ideology led to a surge of educational opportunities for women after the American Revolution.
  • In contrast to Kerber, Woody points out that "practical education for females had many advocates before the Revolution."
  • According to the author, Woody's evidence "challenges the notion that the Revolution changed attitudes regarding female education, although it may have accelerated earlier trends."

So basically, Kerber thinks support for women's education increased dramatically after the Revolution. Before the revolution, according to Kerber, women's education had little support. After the revolution, it had lots of support.

Woody calls all that into question. He thinks that support for women's education didn't "change" so much as "accelerate" after the revolution. He suggests that women's education had "many advocates" before the Revolution. Sure, there might have been more support after the Revolution, Woody thinks, but it wasn't a dramatic "change," as Kerber believes.

Here's choice (B) for question 3:

Quote:
3) The passage suggests that, with regard to the history of women’s education in the United States, Kerber’s work differs from Woody’s primarily concerning which of the following?

(B) The extent of the support for educational opportunities for girls prior to the American Revolution
Do Kerber and Woody differ on the "extent of support for educational opportunities for girls prior to the American Revolution?" According to our analysis, that makes sense.

Kerber thinks there was little support for women's education before the Revolution. Woody thinks there were "many advocates" for female education before the Revolution. So he disagrees with Kerber on this point.

Put another way, according to Kerber, "the extent of support" for women's education prior to the Revolution was really small. Woody thinks it was somewhat bigger.

So because they differ on the "extent of support," (B) is correct.

I hope that helps!
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Hi Experts
I am still confused in q 5)
I am not able to eliminate option E)
I t mentions that the women's education views were still controversial in Woody's time. I thinks yes they were controversial as Linda and other Historians mentioned the role American revolution played in changing views around women education. Whereas Woody's said that it was not the American revolution that changed the views women education had many advocates prior to 1750s as well. We knew that Woody supported the Essay in various ways. So if the Essay pointed out the same views as Woody's wouldn't it be criticizing the same women's education views?
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