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No improvement in verbal and quant score lost as well
Hi All,
I am looking for few important suggestions from all experts .
I am preparing for GMAT from last 1.5 years ,I have first completed classroom training from TIME Noida
and first tried GMAT in Feb 2019.
My score was 460 (Q 44,V12) IR 6 and AWA 5

I was frustrated and couldn't apply any top colleges for 1 year executive MBA in Europe.

Post which I asked advise from friends and I have started error log etc and based on advise from friends I have taken subscription of MGMAT paid 3 months and completed all youtube videos of GMAT ninja and GMAT club.

This time I was confident to expect 600 approximate but
I have improved little bit in GMAT verbal but lost in quant.

I have attempted on 3 september and my
Score is 530 (Q 40,V 22) IR 4

seems my IR and quant both degraded over time.

can someone please help me to make better strategy to get score of 650 plus.

as I am targeting

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Congratulations!! You have improved 10 points in verbal which is a big deal. And you have a chance to improve further.

I know its tough to study for something for such a long time.

Try to evaluate, what went wrong in the real exam? How much you used to get in mocks? If there is a lot of difference then it might be because of anxiety or exam pressure. If you have ESR then analyse it. You will get clarity.

For quant, you can try TTP target test prep. I have heard its good.

And as per my knowledge, you will need 700+ for the colleges you want to apply.

I hope it helps. All the best!!!

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New post 07 Sep 2019, 00:39
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No improvement in verbal and quant score lost as well
Hi All,
I am looking for few important suggestions from all experts .
I am preparing for GMAT from last 1.5 years ,I have first completed classroom training from TIME Noida
and first tried GMAT in Feb 2019.
My score was 460 (Q 44,V12) IR 6 and AWA 5

I was frustrated and couldn't apply any top colleges for 1 year executive MBA in Europe.

Post which I asked advise from friends and I have started error log etc and based on advise from friends I have taken subscription of MGMAT paid 3 months and completed all youtube videos of GMAT ninja and GMAT club.

This time I was confident to expect 600 approximate but
I have improved little bit in GMAT verbal but lost in quant.

I have attempted on 3 september and my
Score is 530 (Q 40,V 22) IR 4

seems my IR and quant both degraded over time.

can someone please help me to make better strategy to get score of 650 plus.

as I am targeting

IMD
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IESE
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LBS
oxford
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Hi Madhura,
Just like you I have 12 years of experience. TTP is really top notch for quant . It doesnt get better than this.

I have been studying since the last two months and TTP has helped a lot. The course is pretty intensive and covers all aspects of quant.

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I had my ESR report and analysed this and worked according to it in weak section to improve at my part.
I was weak in sentence correction
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Hi madhurajmishra,

I'm sorry to hear that Test Day did not go as well as hoped. You've clearly improved over your prior Official Score (from February), but you're going to have to make some big improvements to how you handle the Exam to hit 650+.

Before I can offer you the specific advice that you’re looking for, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

1) How long did you study before each of your 2 Official GMATs? How many hours do you typically study each week?
2) What study materials have you used over the course of ALL of your studies? Which 'brands' of CATs/mocks have you used?
3) On what dates did you take EACH of your CATs/mocks and how did you score on EACH (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?
4) When are you planning to apply to Business School?

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Hi madhurajmishra,

I'm sorry to hear that Test Day did not go as well as hoped. You've clearly improved over your prior Official Score (from February), but you're going to have to make some big improvements to how you handle the Exam to hit 650+.

Before I can offer you the specific advice that you’re looking for, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

1) How long did you study before each of your 2 Official GMATs? How many hours do you typically study each week?
I am studying 2 hours each day on weekdays and 4 to 6 hours on Saturday Sunday, Before this I have attempted in Feb then I tried all the 6 GMAT official mock test from mba.com and my score was 460 to 540 in mock tests but in real exam I have scored 460 only
2) What study materials have you used over the course of ALL of your studies? Which 'brands' of CATs/mocks have you used?
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3) On what dates did you take EACH of your CATs/mocks and how did you score on EACH (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?
I took test on 2nd and 4t se
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4) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
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Hi madhurajmishra,

I’m sorry to hear how things have been going with the GMAT. Since you have been studying for 1.5 years, and have yet to break 530, you really need to look at HOW you have been preparing and make some changes right? Thus, moving forward, you need to ensure that you are following a linear and structured study plan that allows you to learn each individual GMAT quant and verbal topic and then practice each topic until you’ve gained mastery. Let me expand on this idea further.


If you are learning about Number Properties, you should develop as much conceptual knowledge about Number Properties as possible. In other words, your goal will be to completely understand properties of factorials, perfect squares, quadratic patterns, LCM, GCF, units digit patterns, divisibility, and remainders, to name a few concepts. After carefully reviewing the conceptual underpinnings of how to answer Number Properties questions, practice by answering 50 or more questions just from Number Properties. When you do dozens of questions of the same type one after the other, you learn just what it takes to get questions of that type correct consistently. If you aren't getting close to 90 percent of questions of a certain type correct, go back and seek to better understand how that type of question works, and then do more questions of that type until you get to around at least 90 percent accuracy in your training. If you get 100 percent of some sets correct, even better. Number Properties is just one example; follow this process for all quant topics.

When you are working on learning to answer questions of a particular type, start off taking your time, and then seek to speed up as you get more comfortable answering questions of that type. As you do such practice, do a thorough analysis of each question that you don't get right. If you got a remainder question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not properly apply the remainder formula? Was there a concept you did not understand in the question? By carefully analyzing your mistakes, you will be able to efficiently fix your weaknesses and in turn improve your GMAT quant skills.
Each time you strengthen your understanding of a topic and your skill in answering questions of a particular type, you increase your odds of hitting your score goal. You know that there are types of questions that you are happy to see, types that you would rather not see, and types that you take a long time to answer correctly. Learn to more effectively answer the types of questions that you would rather not see, and make them into your favorite types. Learn to correctly answer in two minutes or less questions that you currently take five minutes to answer. By finding, say, a dozen weaker quant areas and turning them into strong areas, you will make great progress toward hitting your quant score goal. If a dozen areas turn out not to be enough, strengthen some more areas.

Follow a similar routine for verbal. For example, let’s say you start by learning about Critical Reasoning. Your first goal is to fully master the individual topics: Strengthen the Argument, Weaken The Argument, Resolve the Paradox, etc. As you learn about each question type, do focused practice, so that you can track your skill in answering each type. If, for example, you get a weakening question wrong, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not recognize the specific question type? Were you doing too much analysis in your head? Did you skip over a keyword in an answer choice? You must thoroughly analyze your mistakes and seek to turn weaknesses into strengths by focusing on the question types you dread seeing and the questions you take a long time to answer correctly.

When practicing Reading Comprehension, you need to develop a reading strategy that is both efficient and thorough. Reading too fast and not understanding what you have read are equally as harmful as reading too slow and using up too much time. When attacking Reading Comprehension passages, you must have one clear goal in mind: to understand the context of what you are reading. However, you must do so efficiently, so you need to avoid getting bogged down in the details of each paragraph and instead focus on understanding the main point of each paragraph. That being said, do not fall into the trap of thinking that you can just read the intro and the conclusion and thereby comprehend the main idea of a paragraph. As you read a paragraph, consider how the context of the paragraph relates to previous paragraphs, so you can continue developing your overall understanding of the passage. Furthermore, as you practice Reading Comprehension, focus on the exact types of questions with which you struggle: Find the Main Idea, Inference, Author’s Tone, etc. As with Critical Reasoning, analyze your incorrect Reading Comprehension answers to better determine why you tend to get a particular question type wrong, and then improve upon your weaknesses. Keep in mind that GMAT Reading Comprehension passages are not meant to be easy to read. So, to better prepare yourself to analyze such passages, read magazines with similar content and style, such as the New York Times, Scientific American, and Smithsonian.

Sentence Correction is a bit of a different animal compared to Reading Comprehension and Critical Reasoning. There are three aspects to getting correct answers to GMAT Sentence Correction questions: what you know, such as grammar rules, what you see, such as violations of grammar rules and the logic of sentence structure, and what you do, such as carefully considering each answer choice in the context of the non-underlined portion of the sentence. To drive up your Sentence Correction score, you likely will have to work on all three of those aspects.

Regarding what you know, first and foremost, you MUST know your grammar rules. Let's be clear, though: GMAT Sentence Correction is not really a test of knowledge of grammar rules. The reason for learning the grammar rules is so that you can determine what sentences convey and whether sentences are well-constructed. In fact, in many cases, incorrect answers to Sentence Correction questions are grammatically flawless. Thus, often your task is to use your knowledge of grammar rules to determine which answer choice creates the most logical sentence meaning and structure.

This determination of whether sentences are well-constructed and logical is the second aspect of finding correct answers to Sentence Correction questions, what you see. To develop this skill, you probably have to slow way down. You won't develop this skill by spending less than two minutes per question. For a while, anyway, you have to spend time with each question, maybe even ten or fifteen minutes on one question sometimes, analyzing every answer choice until you see the details that you have to see in order to choose the correct answer. As you go through the answer choices, consider the meaning conveyed by each version of the sentence. Does the meaning make sense? Even if you can tell what the version is SUPPOSED to convey, does the version really convey that meaning? Is there a verb to go with the subject? Do all pronouns clearly refer to nouns? By slowing way down and looking for these details, you learn to see what you have to see in order to clearly understand which answer to a Sentence Correction question is correct.

There is only one correct answer to any Sentence Correction question, there are clear reasons why that choice is correct and the others are not, and none of those reasons are that the correct version simply "sounds right." In fact, the correct version often sounds a little off at first. That correct answers may sound a little off is not surprising. If the correct answers were always the ones that sounded right, then most people most of the time would get Sentence Correction questions correct, without really knowing why the wrong answers were wrong and the correct answers were correct. So, you have to go beyond choosing what "sounds right" and learn to clearly see the logical reasons why one choice is better than all of the others.

As for the third aspect of getting Sentence Correction questions correct, what you do, the main thing you have to do is be very careful. You have to make sure that you are truly considering the structures of sentences and the meanings conveyed rather than allowing yourself to be tricked into choosing trap answers that sound right but don't convey logical meanings. You also have to make sure that you put some real energy into finding the correct answers. Finding the correct answer to a Sentence Correction question may take bouncing from choice to choice until you start to see the differences that make all choices wrong except for one. Often, when you first look at the choices, only one or two seem obviously incorrect. Getting the right answers takes a certain work ethic. You have to take the time to see the differences between answers and to figure out the precise reasons that one choice is correct.

To improve what you do when you answer Sentence Correction questions, seek to become aware of how you are going about answering them. Are you being careful and looking for logic and details, or are you quickly eliminating choices that sound a little off, and then choosing the best of the rest? If you choose an incorrect answer, consider what you did to arrive at that answer and what you could do differently to arrive at correct answers more consistently. Furthermore, see how many questions you can get correct in a row as you practice. If you break your streak by missing one, consider what you could do differently to extend your streak.

As with your Critical Reasoning and Reading Comprehension regimens, after learning a particular Sentence Correction topic, engage in focused practice with 30 questions or more that involve that topic. As your skills improve, you will want to practice with questions that test you on skills from multiple Sentence Correction topics.

In order to follow the path described above, you may need some new quant and verbal materials, so take a look at the GMAT Club reviews for the best quant and verbal courses. You also may find it helpful to read the following article about The Phases of Preparing for the GMAT.

Feel free to reach out with any further questions. Good luck!
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Hi madhurajmishra,

To start, regardless of how you choose to continue your studies, it is important to take practice CATs/mocks at regular intervals (and in a realistic fashion). Waiting to take 2 practice CATs in the last few days before you took the Official GMAT gave you no time to make any adjustments or improvements to how you handle the Exam and likely also caused some 'burn out' (since those Tests were taken so close to your Official Test Date).

Raising a 530 to the point that you can consistently score 650+ will likely require at least another 2-3 months of consistent, guided study - and you'll have to make significant improvements to how you handle BOTH the Quant and Verbal sections. Thankfully, the GMAT is a consistent, predictable Exam, so you CAN train to score at a higher level. While I understand that you want to apply as soon as possible, you need a competitive-enough GMAT Score first, so you should not try to 'rush' through this next phase of your studies. The type of skills that you need to build and hone take time (and consistent, guided study) to develop.

Since you purchased your prior ESR, you might also choose to purchase the Enhanced Score Report for this recent attempt. While the ESR doesn’t provide a lot of information, there are usually a few data points that we can use to define what went wrong on Test Day (and what you should work on to score higher). If you purchase the ESR, then I'll be happy to analyze it for you.

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I can purchase ESR yes and I can share with you , for study I can do it 2 hours on weekdays and 4 to 6 hours on Saturday and Sunday

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New post 20 Sep 2019, 09:18
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I had my ESR report and analysed this and worked according to it in weak section to improve at my part.
I was weak in sentence correction

Hi Madhuraj, indeed ESR would be a good idea.

V22 however tells me that perhaps all the three (SC/CR/RC) need to be fundamentally revisited.
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Hi madhurajmishra,

If you purchase this ESR, then you can feel free to PM it to me directly. While I understand that you want to apply to Business School soon, you need to give yourself enough time for your continued studies - and you need to work on your applications.

Since you have named some highly-competitive Schools, you would likely find it beneficial to speak with an Admissions Expert about your overall profile and plans. There's a Forum full of those Experts here:

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Hi madhurajmishra - I would recommend you to get the basics right first! That's the fault even I faced, if I were to point a finger on something.

GMAT is all about quality, not quantity! Make an error log and explore GMAT for the topics where you find yourself struggling.

And believe me, there aren't any shortcuts to success! No one can actually tell you the exact thing to do. The experts can only guide you until a point, but its you who have to fight your own battle at the end!

Just get up and crush it buddy!

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