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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.
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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.


The correct idiom is Consider x y and not consider x as y or consider x to be y or consider x as y or any other form.

Text in green: correct
Text in red: reasons due to which those particular options were incorrect.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.
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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.


reading first time
"as" in B is incorrect
"had been" in C is incorrect
"poetry...among comtemporaries" is not logic
A and D are left.
only now we see the difference between "success is overshadow by success" is logic than "by person".
D is correct
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D. Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet. - violates possessive poison rule.

The fashion designer's creations,some of which are very radical, have earned him accolades from city's style icons. - Incorrect. Objective pronoun him can't refer to possessive fashion designer's.
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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.



D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

What does the pronoun "HER" refer to?? "HER" cannot refer to possessive "Elizabeth Barrett browning's success"

But as per MGMAT SC Guide, it is clearly mentioned that GMAT will steer away from having this issue the "make or beak" for any question.
So, maybe this is the fact being tested in the above question.

A - is out for modifier issues.
B, C, & E - are out for idiom "Consider X,Y" v/s "Consider X as Y" issue. (Consider X, Y - correct idiom)

So, that leaves us with D as the only answer.
But it's still debatable.
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Blindly chose D) for the idiom 'consider'. Didn't check the modifiers in choices. However, I am fortunate ;)
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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
The correct idiom is CONSIDER X Y and not Consider X to be Y
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
The correct idiom is CONSIDER X Y and not Consider X as Y
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
Comparison error. Elizabeth Browning was overshadowed by her husband, not her poetry.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
Correct
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.
Comparison error. The poetry has to cosidered better than the poetry of the husband and the the husband himself

Key Takeaways:
Idiom is CONSIDER X Y
Always look out for comparison issues. Compare a person with a person only.
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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
The correct idiom is CONSIDER X Y and not Consider X to be Y
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
The correct idiom is CONSIDER X Y and not Consider X as Y
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
Comparison error. Elizabeth Browning was overshadowed by her husband, not her poetry.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
Correct
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.
Comparison error. The poetry has to cosidered better than the poetry of the husband and the the husband himself

Key Takeaways:
Idiom is CONSIDER X Y
Always look out for comparison issues. Compare a person with a person only.


A quick comment on this, I understand only D uses the correct idiom Consider X Y, but "she" in this sentence has no antecedent as EBB's is in possessive. Does this show that GMAT has a bit more acceptance for pronoun ambiguity/lack of antecedent ? (mikemcgarry, egmat, let us know what you think)
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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
The correct idiom is CONSIDER X Y and not Consider X to be Y
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
The correct idiom is CONSIDER X Y and not Consider X as Y
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
Comparison error. Elizabeth Browning was overshadowed by her husband, not her poetry.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
Correct
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.
Comparison error. The poetry has to cosidered better than the poetry of the husband and the the husband himself

Key Takeaways:
Idiom is CONSIDER X Y
Always look out for comparison issues. Compare a person with a person only.


Choice C also uses the incorrect idom : consider x TO BE Y but yes, the comparison is illogical (between poetry and success of the husband).
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ankurgupta03 wrote:
Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
The correct idiom is CONSIDER X Y and not Consider X to be Y
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
The correct idiom is CONSIDER X Y and not Consider X as Y
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
Comparison error. Elizabeth Browning was overshadowed by her husband, not her poetry.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
Correct
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.
Comparison error. The poetry has to cosidered better than the poetry of the husband and the the husband himself

Key Takeaways:
Idiom is CONSIDER X Y
Always look out for comparison issues. Compare a person with a person only.


A quick comment on this, I understand only D uses the correct idiom Consider X Y, but "she" in this sentence has no antecedent as EBB's is in possessive. Does this show that GMAT has a bit more acceptance for pronoun ambiguity/lack of antecedent ? (mikemcgarry, egmat, let us know what you think)


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yes the possessive noun cannot refer to a subject pronoun.. and one has to see the Q is from OG as the Q does not seem to be discussed earlier, which is a rarity on GMAT Club.
however the only reason her could be refering to EBB's is that the first and second part of the sentence is clearly comparing her and her husband... so she can only refer to EBB and not any third person and this is the only possible answer.
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ankurgupta03 wrote:
Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
The correct idiom is CONSIDER X Y and not Consider X to be Y
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
The correct idiom is CONSIDER X Y and not Consider X as Y
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
Comparison error. Elizabeth Browning was overshadowed by her husband, not her poetry.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
Correct
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.
Comparison error. The poetry has to cosidered better than the poetry of the husband and the the husband himself

Key Takeaways:
Idiom is CONSIDER X Y
Always look out for comparison issues. Compare a person with a person only.


A quick comment on this, I understand only D uses the correct idiom Consider X Y, but "she" in this sentence has no antecedent as EBB's is in possessive. Does this show that GMAT has a bit more acceptance for pronoun ambiguity/lack of antecedent ? (mikemcgarry, egmat, let us know what you think)


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yes the possessive noun cannot refer to a subject pronoun.. and one has to see the Q is from OG as the Q does not seem to be discussed earlier, which is a rarity on GMAT Club.
however the only reason her could be refering to EBB's is that the first and second part of the sentence is clearly comparing her and her husband... so she can only refer to EBB and not any third person and this is the only possible answer.


chetan2u: My question was more for pronoun antecedent than for pronoun ambiguity.

Couple of things that I can infer from this question:

1. Pronoun antecedent has a slightly greater acceptance in SC by GMAC. What this means is that we should pronoun antecedent as the last resort and not as the first/main reason for elimination.

2. SC questions ask for best out of the 5 given and not BEST ever!!
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Through this official OG question, by allowing the possessive pronoun to stand good for a subject pronoun namely ‘she’, GMAC has made it clear that the possessive poison is no more a poison; this is perhaps the key takeaway.
Otherwise, this is a basic passage, in which one can eliminate four incorrect choices in one stroke, namely the wrong usage of idioms such as consider to be, consider as etc in choices A, B ,C and E.
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In D,isn't 'that' referring to Elizabeth Barrett browning's success rather than success ???
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"Consider as" and "considered to be" are incorrect usages. Every option, except D, makes use of this incorrect idiomatic structure.
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Please correct me: I though "consider to be" is ok, as shown here by the Oxford Dictionary http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... h/consider

Also: I don't understand the structure "Among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet". Why "the best" is not used, and how "the better" is used within a group of more than 2 people?
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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success. - Incorrect. She was not overshadowed by her husbands success, it was her poetry which was overshadowed.
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
Incorrect. She was not overshadowed by her husbands success, it was her poetry which was overshadowed.
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband. Incorrect, I think Considered To Be is not correct.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
Correct. Contrast is good. Considered the better poet sounds correct idiom
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband. - Incorrect, HIS husband. it should be her husband's success.


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tronghieu1987 wrote:
Please correct me: I though "consider to be" is ok, as shown here by the Oxford Dictionary http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... h/consider

Also: I don't understand the structure "Among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet". Why "the best" is not used, and how "the better" is used within a group of more than 2 people?


This might be a bit late for a reply to your doubt but as it is GMAC that creates the questions in GMAT, American English may or may not follow Oxford Dictionary. You will be marking an incorrect option if you mark off an answer with the idiom "consider to be".

You have to stick to rules prescribed (implicitly or explicitly) by GMAC.

As for the 2nd question, "the better" is used as the comparison in between EBB and her husband. EBB's contemporaries consider EBB "the better" poet THAN HER HUSBAND. Comparison is not among her contemporaries.
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D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

...and now suddenly GMAC has conveniently started accepting something they used to call an 'error' in past! This is an OG-16 question, so should we believe that the rules have changed from now on?
In fact, they have mentioned the same antecedent issue in C as an error; and in the very next option, they dont even talk about it!!!

Feels like one day GMAC will come and say- 'Sun rises in west', and we will have to believe that thinking that its from 'official source'.. Com'n!

Had this not been from OG, there would have been riot on the OA :x
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chetan2u wrote:
Engr2012 wrote:
ankurgupta03 wrote:
Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
The correct idiom is CONSIDER X Y and not Consider X to be Y
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
The correct idiom is CONSIDER X Y and not Consider X as Y
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
Comparison error. Elizabeth Browning was overshadowed by her husband, not her poetry.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
Correct
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.
Comparison error. The poetry has to cosidered better than the poetry of the husband and the the husband himself

Key Takeaways:
Idiom is CONSIDER X Y
Always look out for comparison issues. Compare a person with a person only.


A quick comment on this, I understand only D uses the correct idiom Consider X Y, but "she" in this sentence has no antecedent as EBB's is in possessive. Does this show that GMAT has a bit more acceptance for pronoun ambiguity/lack of antecedent ? (mikemcgarry, egmat, let us know what you think)


Hi,
yes the possessive noun cannot refer to a subject pronoun.. and one has to see the Q is from OG as the Q does not seem to be discussed earlier, which is a rarity on GMAT Club.
however the only reason her could be refering to EBB's is that the first and second part of the sentence is clearly comparing her and her husband... so she can only refer to EBB and not any third person and this is the only possible answer.


Hi Chetan,

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success. - Wrong placement of 'among her contemporaries' (not sure. Can you please explain if this could also be the reason for eliminating the option. If yes, how?)
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success. - 'considered as' is incorrect
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Brwoning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband. - it means EBB's poetry was overshadowed by the success of her husband - sounds illogical. It should be her success that is overshadowed by his success.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet. - Correct
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband - considered as (incorrect), success being compared to husband (incorrect)

Apart from the idiom issue can you please explain the issue with A (if there is any). Also are my reasons for eliminating A, B, C, and E correct?

Thanks.!
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the key to success on sc is ability to realize meaning error when you read only the original choice.
we have to focus on meaning. structure errors will jump at you immediately.

focus on meaning when you read original choice, and practice realize meaning/logic error .
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