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Ants, by themselves, are weak creatures, but when ants are considered along with others of their species, they are known for their highly organized and powerful colonies and nests, which sometimes consist of millions of individuals.

A. when ants are considered along with others of their species,
B. when considering them with others of their species, then
C. ants, when considered with others of their species,
D. considering them with others of their species,
E. considered with others of their species, then

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Ants, by themselves, are weak creatures, but when ants are considered along with others of their species, they are known for their highly organized and powerful colonies and nests, which sometimes consist of millions of individuals.

A. when ants are considered along with others of their species,
B. when considering them with others of their species, then
C. ants, when considered with others of their species,
D. considering them with others of their species,
E. considered with others of their species, then

B ,D and E instant elimination pronoun them and their does not have clear antecedent
Out of A and C No idea
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Ants, by themselves, are weak creatures, but ants, when considered with others of their species, they are known for their highly organized and powerful colonies and nests, which sometimes consist of millions of individuals.

eddy8700, this is what the sentence would look like if we go with choice C. Try removing the "when..." clause and the commas that separate it from the rest of the sentence, and see if that helps!
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Ants, by themselves, are weak creatures, but ants, when considered with others of their species, they are known for their highly organized and powerful colonies and nests, which sometimes consist of millions of individuals.

eddy8700, this is what the sentence would look like if we go with choice C. Try removing the "when..." clause and the commas that separate it from the rest of the sentence, and see if that helps!


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If we add "when" in the begining of sentence E,can it stand as a correct answer then?
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techiesam, this is how the sentence would look if we use answer choice E and add "when" to the beginning of the sentence....


When ants, by themselves, are weak creatures, but considered with others of their species, then they are known for their highly organized and powerful colonies and nests, which sometimes consist of millions of individuals.

This sentence still has the pronoun issue pointed out by eddy8700; furthermore, adding "when" to the beginning totally changes the meaning (and makes the sentence very awkward). When are ants known for their highly organized and powerful colonies and nests? ... "when ants are considered along with others of their species", not "when ants are weak creatures...".
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techiesam, this is how the sentence would look if we use answer choice E and add "when" to the beginning of the sentence....


When ants, by themselves, are weak creatures, but considered with others of their species, then they are known for their highly organized and powerful colonies and nests, which sometimes consist of millions of individuals.

This sentence still has the pronoun issue pointed out by eddy8700; furthermore, adding "when" to the beginning totally changes the meaning (and makes the sentence very awkward). When are ants known for their highly organized and powerful colonies and nests? ... "when ants are considered along with others of their species", not "when ants are weak creatures...".


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I'm sorry that I failed to explain myself. By adding when in the begining ,I meant adding when in the begining of the underlined portion.

Then the sentence would look like this:

Ants, by themselves, are weak creatures, but when considered with others of their species, then they are known for their highly organized and powerful colonies and nests, which sometimes consist of millions of individuals.
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Ants, by themselves, are weak creatures, but when ants are considered along with others of their species, they are known for their highly organized and powerful colonies and nests, which sometimes consist of millions of individuals.

A. when ants are considered along with others of their species, Correct
B. when considering them with others of their species, then
C. ants, when considered with others of their species, ants,...,they is redundant.
D. considering them with others of their species,
E. considered with others of their species, then
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I'm sorry that I failed to explain myself. By adding when in the begining ,I meant adding when in the begining of the underlined portion.

Then the sentence would look like this:

Ants, by themselves, are weak creatures, but when considered with others of their species, then they are known for their highly organized and powerful colonies and nests, which sometimes consist of millions of individuals.


Thanks for clarifying, techiesam! In that case, we still have the pronoun issue ("their" doesn't have a clear antecedent). Also, using both "when" and "then" changes it to something like a conditional clause. If we wanted to use the conditional, we would use "if-then" not "when-then". Regardless, this sentence makes more sense with a "when" clause (when are ants known for their highly organized and powerful colonies and nests? ... "when ants are considered along with others of their species.") than with an "if-then" clause. So even if we add "when" (or "if") to choice E, choice A is still better.
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Hi GMATNinjaTwo,

Reason for eliminating C?

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Hi, adityapareshshah. See my earlier post....

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Ants, by themselves, are weak creatures, but ants, when considered with others of their species, they are known for their highly organized and powerful colonies and nests, which sometimes consist of millions of individuals.

eddy8700, this is what the sentence would look like if we go with choice C. Try removing the "when..." clause and the commas that separate it from the rest of the sentence, and see if that helps!


Analyzing the sentence without the "when" clause, we get, "... but ants they are known", and there is no need to include the pronoun ("they") immediately after its antecedent ("ants").
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Hi GMATNinjaTwo,

Could you please let me know the reason for elimination of the other options?

Thanking you in advance.
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A. when ants are considered along with others of their species,

B. when considering them with others of their species, then
"then" is redundant. I believe "then" is used for expressing the effect of a cause. But here, there's no cause-and-effect statement. Hence, the use of "then" is wrong.

C. ants, when considered with others of their species,
This option will make the "they" in the non-underlined portion redundant.

D. considering them with others of their species,
"When" is required. Also, the form "considering" is faulty when used in the sentence.

E. considered with others of their species, then
"considered" and "then" are faulty.
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A seems to be best choice for me . even though I don't want when to be there. as I personally prefer to have when only on occasions used to describe time.

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Why C is wrong
Because the noun ants has no predicate. To elaborate on this post:

but ants, when considered with others of their species, they are known for their highly organized and powerful colonies and nests

Here the subject of are known is they, leaving ants with no verb.

but ants, when considered with others of their species, they are known for their highly organized and powerful colonies and nests

So option C is effectively saying this:

but ants, they are known for their highly organized and powerful colonies and nests
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Hi GMATNinjaTwo,

Could you please let me know the reason for elimination of the other options?

Thanking you in advance.


B. Because of the word "when", "then" is redundant. Moreover the conjunction "when" requires a clause to follow.
D. The present participle modifier "considering them with others of their species" refers to "they" ("ants"). This construction wrongly implies that the ants themselves consider.
E. I guess you do not need explanation why this option is wrong!
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Ants, by themselves, are weak creatures, but when ants are considered along with others of their species, they are known for their highly organized and powerful colonies and nests, which sometimes consist of millions of individuals.

A. when ants are considered along with others of their species,
B. when considering them with others of their species, then
C. ants, when considered with others of their species,
D. considering them with others of their species,
E. considered with others of their species, then
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Ants, by themselves, are weak creatures, but when ants are considered along with others of their species, they are known for their highly organized and powerful colonies and nests, which sometimes consist of millions of individuals.

A. when ants are considered along with others of their species,

--> correct

B. when considering them with others of their species, then

--> when + then --> redundant. considering seems to modify ants --> ants considering ants --> illogical.

C. ants, when considered with others of their species,

--> remove non-essential modifier when considered with others of their species, we have ants they are known ..., we have the subject they that stands next to its antecedent ants --> redudant and illogical.

D. considering them with others of their species,

--> considering seems to modify ants --> ants considering ants --> illogical.

E. considered with others of their species, then

--> comma + conjuntion (, but) requires Subject + Verb --> lack of subject.
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Hi,
i got a doubt.
isn't them ambiguously referring to Weak Creatures or Ants.
i Eliminated B D E based on this .
Is my reasoning right / wrong. ?
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Ants, by themselves, are weak creatures, but when ants are considered along with others of their species, they are known for their highly organized and powerful colonies and nests, which sometimes consist of millions of individuals.

A. when ants are considered along with others of their species,
B. when considering them with others of their species, then
C. ants, when considered with others of their species,
D. considering them with others of their species,
E. considered with others of their species, then


Now I understand it right.
The pronoun ambiguity related to 'them' and 'their' in options B,D and E is they may refer to 'Ants' or 'Weak Creatures'
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