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amitgovin wrote: if x is a positive number less than 10 is z greater than the average of x and 10?
1) on the number line, z is closer to 10 than it is to x
2) z=5x
********************************* please explain. thanks. IMO A 1) The distance between Z and 10 is lesser than distance between Z and X. So Z is greater than the center of the line segment X to 10. That means Z is greater than the average of X and 10. Sufficient. 2) Z = 5X If X=1, then Z = 5. Avg of X and 10 = 5.5. So Z<Avg. If X=2, then Z = 10. Avg of X and 10 = 6. So Z>Avg. Statement is Insufficient.



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Yup A.
stmt1: 10z < zx , here x and z are +ve ( as Z is closer to 10 than to x, and x is +ve ) 10z < zx => z > Av of 10 and x.
stmt2: x=1, z=5, 5 < 5.5 x=2, z=10, 10 > 6



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amp0201 wrote: Hi,
Can anyone please suggest me the solution. I arrived at B, but unfortunately it was wrong. Thanks. If x is a positive number less than 10, is z greater than the average (arithmetic mean) of x and 10?Given: \(0<x<10\). Q: is z greater than the average of x and 10? Or: is \(z>\frac{10+x}{2}\)? > \(2z>10+x\)? (1) On the number line, z is closer to 10 than it is to x > \(10z<zx\) > as z is closer to 10 than it is to x, then z>x, so \(zx=zx\) > two cases for 10z: A. \(z\leq{10}\) > \(10z=10z\) > \(10z<zx\) becomes: \(10z<zx\) > \(2z>10+x\). Answer to the question YES. B. \(z>{10}\) > in this case \(2z>20\) and as \(x<10\), then \(x+10<20\), hence \(2z>10+x\). Answer to the question YES. OR another approach: Given: x average 10  (average of x and 10 halfway between x and 10). Now, as z is closer to 10 than it (z) is to x, then z is either in the blue area, so more than average OR in the green area, so also more than average. Answer to the question YES. Sufficient. (2) z = 5x > is \(2z>10+x\)? > is \(10x>10+x\)? > is \(x>\frac{10}{9}\). We don't now that. Not sufficient. (we've gotten that if \(x>\frac{10}{9}\), then the answer to the question is YES, but if \(0<x\leq{\frac{10}{9}}\), then the answer to the question is NO.) Answer: A. Similar question: https://gmatclub.com/forum/ifyisane ... 95138.html
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hello Bunuel,
how did u get Z>10 ? above in red. from your inequality i got 10>x
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If x is a positive number less than 10 is z greater than the average of x and 10? 1) on the number line, z is closer to 10 than it is to x 2) z=5x Drawing a number line can help you see the answer quickly. Attachment:
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So x is somewhere between 0 and 10 and average of x and 10 is between x and 10. z can be in any of the 5 regions as shown. 1) on the number line, z is closer to 10 than it is to x In which regions is z closer to 10 than to x? Only the two rightmost regions. There, z is greater than the average of x and 10. Sufficient. 2) z = 5x Put x = 1 z = 5 but average of 1 and 10 is 5.5 so z is less than the average. Actually, this is where I stop and mark (A) as the answer without checking to see if there is a value of x for which z is greater than the average. Think, why?
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@Karishma We stop in (2) because we've found something contrary to the answer in (1), while in earlier choice we had a definite answer. So the answer can't be B,C,D oe E. The goal in DS is to get No as answer first for the choices, or to find the inconsistencies. (1) 0xAv10z 0xAvz10 From the diagram above, it's evident that the answer is Yes (2) is insufficient if x is very close to 0, then z may not be closer to 10 e.g, x = 0.1, then z = 0.5 if x = 2, then z = 10 (greater than average) Answer  A
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subhashghosh wrote: @Karishma We stop in (2) because we've found something contrary to the answer in (1), while in earlier choice we had a definite answer. So the answer can't be B,C,D oe E.
The goal in DS is to get No as answer first for the choices, or to find the inconsistencies.
(1) 0xAv10z
0xAvz10
From the diagram above, it's evident that the answer is Yes
(2) is insufficient
if x is very close to 0, then z may not be closer to 10
e.g, x = 0.1, then z = 0.5
if x = 2, then z = 10 (greater than average)
Answer  A Yes, it is not possible to get inconsistent answers from the two statements i.e. we cannot have 'Yes. z is greater. Sufficient Alone.' from statement 1 and 'No. z is smaller. Sufficient Alone.' from statement 2. From statement 2, we will either get 'Yes. z is greater. Sufficient Alone.' or 'z can be smaller or greater so not sufficient alone' From statement 1, we got that z is greater than the average. From statement 2, we tried a value and we got that z is less than the average. Then there must be a value for which z is greater than the average too in statement 2. We don't even need to try it. Definitely statement 2 alone is not sufficient and answer is (A).
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just wondering about statement 1, am i misunderstanding the question?
"on the number line, z is closer to 10 than it is to x"
z = 11 x = 8 so z is closer to 10 than x is
is 11 > (8+10)/2 11 > (18/2) becomes 11 > 9 so the answer is YES
z = 9 x = 8 so z is closer to 10 than x is
is 9 > (8+10)/2 9 > (18/2) becomes 9 > 9 so the answer is NO
or is the question stating z is closer to 10 than z is to x? i interpreted it as z is closer to 10 than 10 is to x.



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Hmm...I don't understand why the answer is A.
for Statement A it states that "On the number line, z is closer to 10 than it is to x". Let's say Z is 9 and X is 8...then the average of X and 10 is 9. This equals Z... OR, let's say Z is 2 and X is 1...then Z < avg (x & 10). How can statement A be sufficient?



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GMATAnnihilator wrote: Hmm...I don't understand why the answer is A.
for Statement A it states that "On the number line, z is closer to 10 than it is to x". Let's say Z is 9 and X is 8...then the average of X and 10 is 9. This equals Z... OR, let's say Z is 2 and X is 1...then Z < avg (x & 10). How can statement A be sufficient? The case you are considering with z=9,x=8 then z is equidistant from x and 10 both....So this is not valid. Case 2 where z=2 ie. average of x+10 > (x+10)/2=2 or x+10=4 or x =6...But we are told x is positive number less than 10...so x=6 is not possible... Hope it is clear
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WoundedTiger wrote: GMATAnnihilator wrote: Hmm...I don't understand why the answer is A.
for Statement A it states that "On the number line, z is closer to 10 than it is to x". Let's say Z is 9 and X is 8...then the average of X and 10 is 9. This equals Z... OR, let's say Z is 2 and X is 1...then Z < avg (x & 10). How can statement A be sufficient? The case you are considering with z=9,x=8 then z is equidistant from x and 10 both....So this is not valid. Case 2 where z=2 ie. average of x+10 > (x+10)/2=2 or x+10=4 or x =6...But we are told x is positive number less than 10...so x=6 is not possible... Hope it is clear Thanks Wounded Tiger...now where do I find that facepalm emoticon. I clearly misread the question... one of more deficiencies with timed exams... This will have to do: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/car ... 1217081420



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Quote: Hmm...I don't understand why the answer is A.
for Statement A it states that "On the number line, z is closer to 10 than it is to x". Let's say Z is 9 and X is 8...then the average of X and 10 is 9. This equals Z... OR, let's say Z is 2 and X is 1...then Z < avg (x & 10). How can statement A be sufficient? For semplicity sake: rephrase the question into is 2z > 10 + x? 1) We know a few interesting things about x: it has to be smaller than 10; it can be a rational number; it is positive. According to this statement > if z=9 then x<8, say x=7,9 so that if 7,9 works any smaller value of x will work too. 2z=18 > 10+x. Thus z is always going to be greater than the average of 10 and x. hope it helps
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Hi Karishma,
This is regarding the number line approach that you have explained.Please share some problems where i could apply this technique.
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Hi Karishma,
How can we be sure that the average is not more than z.The pictorial representation suits your explanation but somewhere i am not able to convince myself with it.
Would be glad if we could discuss
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kirtivardhan wrote: Hi Karishma,
How can we be sure that the average is not more than z.The pictorial representation suits your explanation but somewhere i am not able to convince myself with it.
Would be glad if we could discuss
Regards Dear kirtivardhanBefore even beginning to think about z and whether the average is more or less than z, let's first simply think about what the average would be. This is the average of only 2 numbers: x and 10. So, the average will simply be the midpoint of x and 10, isn't it? So, let's depict this first of all (note that we're given that x lies between 0 and 10). With this out of the way, let's now process what the question is asking: Is z greater than the average of x and 10? That is, does z lie in the yellow region shown below? Let's now analyze the statements: St. 1 says that z is closer to 10 than to x on the number line.
Please note that information given in St. 1 is a FACT. So, now, ask yourself: in how many ways can z be closer to 10 than to x on the number line? You'll find that this happens either in: Case A: where z lies between the mean and 10, or in Case B: where z lies on the Right hand side of 10 Both these cases lie in the yellow region. So, we can say for sure that all the possible values of z that satisfy the fact convey in St. 1 will definitely be greater than the mean. So, St. 1 is sufficient. St. 2 says that z = 5xNow, if x = 1, then mean = (1+10)/2 = 5.5 And z = 5*1 = 5. In this case, z IS NOT greater than the mean If x = 2, then mean = (2+10)/2 = 6. And z = 5*2 = 12 In this case, z IS greater than the mean Since from St. 2 alone, we are not able to say for sure if z is greater than the mean or not, it is insufficient. A followup query if something still remains unclear will be most welcome! Best Regards Japinder P.S.: I took the liberty of answering this query because Karishma may not have noticed it (since you only mentioned her name, didn't tag her in your post). In the future, to make sure that an expert gets a notification when you request help from them, please make use of the 'Mention this user' tab (highlighted in the image below) in the Post Editor. You know that you've used this tab successfully if the expert's name has now become hyperlinked. Hope this helped
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Sure I will make a note of it.
Thank you so much for the explanation



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kirtivardhan wrote: Hi Karishma,
This is regarding the number line approach that you have explained.Please share some problems where i could apply this technique.
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Kirti Here is a post discussing the use of number line: http://www.veritasprep.com/blog/2013/08 ... mberline/
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kirtivardhan wrote: Hi Karishma,
How can we be sure that the average is not more than z.The pictorial representation suits your explanation but somewhere i am not able to convince myself with it.
Would be glad if we could discuss
Regards I am guessing I don't need to give the explanation of the solution anymore. A Tip: When you make a diagram to get the answer  either number line in number properties or geometry  ensure that you keep the diagram as generic as possible. So I know that x is positive, that brings me to the right of 0. I also know that x is less than 10 so I put x anywhere between 0 and 10  not in the centre. I don't know where z is so I consider all "different" regions where it can be. So what we deduce from such a diagram will hold in all cases.
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