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Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

A one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and
B one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and
C they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating,
D they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,
E they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating,
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The tagging may include SV number agreement, and conjunction, which are also important things tested here. Starfish is treated as plural here as can be seen from the plural verb have in the non-underlined part

A one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and--- [color=#0000FF]it seems as if the plural starfish is pronouned by the first, singular it; in addition in an active voice sentence, the use of by is improper
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B one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and ------- seems ok with the SV problem avoided altogether. Here the it should logically refer to the arm. correct choice

C they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating, -----use of by is improper in an active voice setting. It should be with the animal rather than by the animal; overcompensating, growing is improper co-ordination. There should be an and in between

D they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,’---use of they means that the starfish themselves are replaced; over compensating should be followed by and

E they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating, --- in a passive voice we need to use by rather than with ; in addition overcompensating should be followed by and

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The tagging may include SV number agreement, and conjunction, which are also important things tested here. Starfish is treated as plural here as can be seen from the plural verb have in the non-underlined part

A one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and--- [color=#0000FF]it seems as if the plural starfish is pronouned by the first, singular it; in addition in an active voice sentence, the use of by is improper
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B one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and ------- seems ok with the SV problem avoided altogether. Here the it should logically refer to the arm. correct choice

C they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating, -----use of by is improper in an active voice setting. It should be with the animal rather than by the animal; overcompensating, growing is importer co-ordination. There should be an and in between

D they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,’---use of they means that the starfish themselves are replaced; over compensating should be followed by and

E they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating, --- in a passive voice we need to use by rather than with ; in addition overcompensating should be followed by and


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pls calrify the following doubts for the point C:-
"use of by is improper in an active voice" what's wrong with - sometimes by the starfish overcompensating?? and following the same analogy - The soldiers follow the orders of their seniors, sometimes by the soldier ferociously, crossing the expectations of the seniors.

"overcompensating should be followed by and" as per Ron (Thursday with Ron), and should only be used when two events are mutually independent and are not depended on the occurrence of each another or when the events happened in the same chronology. In the said case, don't you think that the clause "sometimes by the animal overcompensating" is acting as a modifier modifying the the act of starfish growing an extra arm or two?

your insight on the above will be highly appreciated.
Any other experts are also welcome to enumerate on the same
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The soldiers follow the orders of their seniors, sometimes by the soldier ferociously, crossing the expectations of the seniors.—this sentence may not pass the test of modification; but what will be acceptable is --- The soldiers follow the orders of their seniors, sometimes ferociously crossing the expectations of the seniors. You can see the impact of the unnecessary intrusion of the preposition by. Similarly in our text, overcompensating, and growing are modifications of strong regenerative ability and not growing. Growing is another parallel modification along overcompensating. Hence, when we say the animal overcompensating, it becomes a present participle modifier, while when we say by the animal overcompensating, we in fact say by the animal’s overcompensating, and the term becomes a gerund.

We may perhaps use past participle to describe this situation; -sometimes overcompensated by the animal- but we must also ensure that the other things are parallel too.

I am unable to comment upon Ron’s view and context. But as far as I see, overcompensating and growing are two independent and parallel features of re-generation and hence we do need to use the and
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I fail this question

"overcompensating" and " growing" are not independent actions and the use of "and" is not suitable. A and B are out
the 2 actions are of the same event. comma+doing is used not "and"

I am confused. pls, help


same I crossed B because I thought growing had to modify overcompensate otherwise it does not make sense to have the verb "overcompensate" alone like that. Can somebody explain? And also would it be possible to explain what is exactly is wrong with E? Thx !


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Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.


B one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and
E they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating,

1 Usage of sometimes : meaning in E is changed, as if sometimes with the animal
Sometimes should come near what it is modifying...they replace it that results something

2. and should separate two different v-ing modifiers...
when we say IC1 , and IC2 then only it means IC1 and IC2 are independent
but when there is a list with common subject we can simply write sub X and Y
when there is a list with 3 or more in the list we need comma + and => x,y, and Z else X and Y
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Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

A one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and
B one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and
C they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating,
D they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,
E they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating,



(A) Here the use of it is ambiguous........
(B)use of it is correct
(C)here "and" is missing and placement of sometimes is wrong
(D)overcompensating,growing should be overcompensating and growing,Use of they is ambiguous
(E)overcompensating,growing should be overcompensating and growing

B is correct.If i am wrong in analyzing answer choice`s plz inform ne

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In B) "with" is a preposition, then why it's initiating a clause, I heard about only prepositional phrases not clauses. Is it correctly used in this case ?
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The correct sentence is:

Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, [and if one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, ] with the animal sometimes overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

The bold part is modifier. The short form of the sentence is: Starfish have a strong regenerative ability with the animal sometimes overcompensating and growing an extra one or two

"with" is technically connected to "have a strong regenerative ability" . Hence, "with" does not initiate a clause.

So, B is correct.

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In B) "with" is a preposition, then why it's initiating a clause, I heard about only prepositional phrases not clauses. Is it correctly used in this case ?
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The correct sentence is:

Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, [and if one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, ] with the animal sometimes overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

The bold part is modifier. The short form of the sentence is: Starfish have a strong regenerative ability with the animal sometimes overcompensating and growing an extra one or two

"with" is technically connected to "have a strong regenerative ability" . Hence, "with" does not initiate a clause.

So, B is correct.

Hope it clarifies.


Hi pqhai, I'm sorry but that part is NOT a modifer: if you remove it, the whole sentence does not make sense; and moreover what does it modify?

It starts with "and" and it's a clause.

The part "with the animal sometimes overcompensating and growing an extra one or two." explains how a lost arm is replaced, it refers to the preceding clause. This also points to the fact that the preceding part is not a modifier: Starfish have a strong regenerative ability with the animal sometimes overcompensating and growing an extra one or two (of what?)

PiyushK I am not good with technical names but this is an official question, so everything is 100% correct.
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The reason I got this question wrong is because of the whole "it" reference as instructed by MGMAT books. I opted out "B" because I thought that "it" cannot refer to arm because the two words are too close to each other. As a result, I chose "C" but I understand now why it is wrong.

Can anyone please explain how can "it" refer to "arm" being that close?

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The reason I got this question wrong is because of the whole "it" reference as instructed by MGMAT books. I opted out "B" because I thought that "it" cannot refer to arm because the two words are too close to each other. As a result, I chose "C" but I understand now why it is wrong.

Can anyone please explain how can "it" refer to "arm" being that close?


Consider the sentence with C:

Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.


C they(plural=Starfish) lose one arm they quickly replace it(=the arm), sometimes by the animal overcompensating,

There is no such rule regading the "distance" between the pronoun and the noun it refers to. As long as the pronoun is correctly used and the meaning is clear, the construct is correct.

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The reason I got this question wrong is because of the whole "it" reference as instructed by MGMAT books. I opted out "B" because I thought that "it" cannot refer to arm because the two words are too close to each other. As a result, I chose "C" but I understand now why it is wrong.

Can anyone please explain how can "it" refer to "arm" being that close?


Consider the sentence with C:

Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.


C they(plural=Starfish) lose one arm they quickly replace it(=the arm), sometimes by the animal overcompensating,

There is no such rule regading the "distance" between the pronoun and the noun it refers to. As long as the pronoun is correctly used and the meaning is clear, the construct is correct.

Hope it's clear


Yes, you are right and I see that now. I looked it up and basically the book confused me. The book mentions Proximity of pronoun reference but I did not fully understand what the author of the book meant. For example, in a sentence "In the station house it is considered taboo..", "it" cannot refer to station house because the two words are too close. Also, the use of "it" is as a placeholder, not pronoun reference.

Now it is clear, thanks!

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A one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and.
Pronoun should refer to only one Noun. Here, "it" is referring to Starfish and arm
B one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and
C they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating,
D they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,
E they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating

Starfish is singular. So, "they" is wrong. C,D,E are out. [color=#ff0000]r[/color]
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they definitely refers to starfish. now if there is a singular/plural consideration then i would say it fits better, what say blueseas?


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Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

in the non underlined portion,...we have STARFISH...HAVE==>it means STARFISH==>PLURAL...hence we cant denote starfish with IT.

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Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

A one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and
B one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and
C they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating,
D they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,
E they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating,



I chose B as well.. Her is my stab at it

A - One arm is lost "it" quickly replaces - Who? the arm or the starfish? Out
B - One arm is lost it is - That resolves the problem with A.. Rest seems to be ok.. Keep
C - They lose one arm they quickly replace - Who? They could refer to five to eight arms or the starfish..... sometimes by - Wrong - Out
D - They lose one arm they "are" quickly - Out
E - They lose one arm it is, sometimes with the animal - Close to being correct in my books but ambiguity exists with the placemement of sometimes, it makes it seems like the arms are grown back only at times.

All in all it was a toss up between B and E.. Chose B
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Though many replies already exist, here is my 2 cents.

Starfish, blah blah blah, have a strong Z ability, and if <something happens they fix it>, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two

C,D,E have a similar problem "overcompensating," is followed by "growing an extra one or two". This is a case of misplaced modifier.
Now A & B remains

(A) one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and --> Use of Have in the non-underlined part means we talking about plural star fish.

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it is easy... Straight B..

They is incorrect.. C and D and E are out.
A is missing 'is' after it to maintain parallelism

hi amit
may i know why they is wrong according to you in option CDE


Usage of "they" seems OK in (C) and (E) - but not in (D) because of multiple THEYs.

(D) ", and if they lose one arm they are quickly replaced"

The first they is supposed to = Starfish
But the second they is supposed to = the arm

So ambiguous pronoun references for THEY in (D) makes (D) wrong.

For (C) and (E) - the non-underlined portion says "Starfish.....have.." - so we know Starfish is plural.

So referencing starfish with THEY is OK.

But (C) and (E) have other issues - please see video explanation provided below.

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Usage of "they" in choices C,D and E is proper.

C they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating,This choice means the animal replaces its lost arm by overcompensating. Change of meaning. Also "and" is missing between two parallel actions "overcompensating" and "growing". Hence wrong.
D they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,"and" is missing between two parallel actions "overcompensating" and "growing". Hence wrong.
E they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating,Change of meaning due to wrong placement of "sometimes". "and" is missing between two parallel actions "overcompensating" and "growing". Hence wrong.
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The tagging may include SV number agreement, and conjunction, which are also important things tested here. Starfish is treated as plural here as can be seen from the plural verb have in the non-underlined part

A one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and--- [color=#0000FF]it seems as if the plural starfish is pronouned by the first, singular it; in addition in an active voice sentence, the use of by is improper
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B one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and ------- seems ok with the SV problem avoided altogether. Here the it should logically refer to the arm. correct choice

C they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating, -----use of by is improper in an active voice setting. It should be with the animal rather than by the animal; overcompensating, growing is improper co-ordination. There should be an and in between

D they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,’---use of they means that the starfish themselves are replaced; over compensating should be followed by and

E they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating, --- in a passive voice we need to use by rather than with ; in addition overcompensating should be followed by and


Hi daagh,
As per your explanation 'with' should not be used in passive voice. Right?

Then still B stands out as the correct option. It seems it's kind of selecting the best out of the lot...!!

Would much appreciate your thoughts.
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Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

(A) one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and PRONOUN AGREEMENT- Starfish have => Starfish is PLURAL but it is SINGULAR
(B) one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and
(C) they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating,
(D) they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating, PRONOUN REFERENCE - they (PLURAL) implies Starfish are replaced and not the arm
(E) they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating,


1. Eliminate A and D as above
2. Between B,C & E - use MEANING to eliminate C because 2nd part of the sentence means arm is being replaced by overcompensating.
3. Between B and E - use PARALLELISM to eliminate E because they lose (is in active voice) is not parallel to it is replaced (in passive voice)
Left with answer choice (B)

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ONE THING IS CLEAR....IF STARFISH LOSES AN ARM IT DOES NOTHING, BY INTENTION, TO REPLACE IT ... IT HAPPENS AUTOMATICALLY BY GENETIC REGENERATION......

Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

A one arm is lostit quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and
B one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and...CORRECT....
C they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating,
D they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,
Ethey lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating,


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