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Hi all,

Can we use "Though tiny, blind and translucent" instead of "Though being tiny, blind and translucent"? I mean that "tiny, blind, translucent" are adjectives, than we need a "to be" verb here? Do we?

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Though being tiny, blind, and translucent, a recently discovered species of catfish lessens their vulnerability with thickened bones and armor plates on their sides.


B. Though tiny, blind, and translucent, a recently discovered species of catfish has thickened bones and armor plates on its sides that lessen its vulnerability.



HI GMATNinja, mikemcgarry, MagooshExpert (Carolyn), GMATGuruNY, EducationAisle, generis

Here Though tiny, blind, and translucent is it not modifying a recently discovered

Hi NandishSS,

Happy to help :) Here, "tiny, blind, and translucent" has to modify a noun, so it will logically modify the nearest noun. "A recently discovered" is not a noun -- the next noun is "species of catfish". "Recently discovered" is also modifying "species of catfish". So all of these modifiers are modifying "species of catfish" :)

Hope that helps! :)
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Hi Carolyn, though OA explanation is all correct. I still don't understand how can a species be tiny, blind, and translucent!
Kindly explain whether is it always correct to modify collective nouns like this. I remember few of the Official questions options are eliminated purely because of such modifier referrant error.

Shouldn't it be modifying the catfish instead of species?
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ChiranjeevSingh please could you clear my doubt in option B


B. Though tiny, blind, and translucent, a recently discovered species of catfish has thickened bones and armor plates on its sides that lessen its vulnerability.

Should't the noun "species" be placed immediately after the phrase "Though tiny, blind, and translucent". We rather have a modifier "a recently discovered" placed right after. Why is this correct? Since tiny, blind and translucent is what the species is, I believe this isn't the best way of writing this sentence.
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Hi ,

In option B - if "a species of xxx" is singular then why we are not using singular verb-lessens ??

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In option B - if "a species of xxx" is singular then why we are not using singular verb-lessens ??

Hi! Whether the correct verb is lessen or lessens, depends upon what that modifies.

The sentence is:

.....thickened bones and armor plates on its sides that lessen its vulnerability.

The question we need to be asking is: What lessen/lessens its vulnerability?

Answer: thickened bones and armor plates

So, that modifies (describes) thickened bones and armor plates.

Since thickened bones and armor plates is a plural compound noun, the correct verb is lessen.

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From https://www.beatthegmat.com/vr-though-b ... 93895.html, how do you know that "their" does not refer to "catfish," which can be plural?
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In A, C and D, their (plural) does not agree with a recently discovered species (singular).
Eliminate A, C and D.

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Dear GMATGuruNY AjiteshArun EducationAisle MartyTargetTestPrep DmitryFarber GMATRockstar GMATNinja VeritasPrepHailey,

C. A recently discovered species of catfish has thickened bones and armor plates on its sides that lessen their vulnerability, though tiny, blind, and translucent.

According to https://www.beatthegmat.com/q17-og13-re ... 63164.html, "Though" in C. illogically refers to "vulnerability," right?
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The following structure would be incorrect:
Polio continues elsewhere, although eradicated in the United States.
Here, the verbless although clause is NOT next to the omitted subject (polio).

However, in the below OA, the verbless "when" clause is NOT next to the omitted subject.

OA : Under a provision of the Constitution that has never been applied, Congress is required to call a convention to consider possible amendments to the document when formally asked to do so by the legislatures of two-thirds of the states.

OA : The results of the company's cost-cutting measures are evident in its profits, which have increased five percent during the first three months of this year after falling over the last two years.

In conclusion, the verbless "(al)though" clause must be next to the omitted subject. However, the verbless "when" or "after" clause doesn't have to?
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From https://www.beatthegmat.com/vr-though-b ... 93895.html, how do you know that "their" does not refer to "catfish," which can be plural?
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In A, C and D, their (plural) does not agree with a recently discovered species (singular).
Eliminate A, C and D.


A: a recently discovered species of catfish lessens their vulnerability
If their refers to catfish IN GENERAL, the following meaning is conveyed:
A recently discovered SPECIES of catfish lessens the vulnerability of CATFISH IN GENERAL.
This meaning is nonsensical.
ONE type of catfish cannot lessen the vulnerability for ALL types of catfish.
Similar reasoning can be applied to C and D.
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Though being tiny, blind, and translucent, a recently discovered species of catfish lessens their vulnerability with thickened bones and armor plates on their sides.


A. Though being tiny, blind, and translucent, a recently discovered species of catfish lessens their vulnerability with thickened bones and armor plates on their sides.

B. Though tiny, blind, and translucent, [color=#00a651]a recently discovered species of catfish has thickened bones and armor plates on its sides that lessen its vulnerability.

C. A recently discovered species of catfish has thickened bones and armor plates on its sides that lessen their vulnerability, though tiny, blind, and translucent.

D. Thickened bones and armor plates on their sides lessen the vulnerability of a recently discovered species of catfish that is tiny, blind, and translucent.

E. Tiny, blind, and translucent, thickened bones and armor plates on its sides lessen the vulnerability of a recently discovered species of catfish.


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1)problem: Improper pronou referrant : A species is singular. In options A,C &D. their is referring to species Pronoun agreement failed

2) Modifier error: In option E : Tiny, blind, and translucent should modify species but here its modifying ilogically "thickened bones and armor plates "

Therefore Our answer is B which has none of the above errors
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[quote="sayantanc2k"]Though being tiny, blind, and translucent, a recently discovered species of catfish lessens their vulnerability with thickened bones and armor plates on their sides.


A. Though being tiny, blind, and translucent, a recently discovered species of catfish lessens their vulnerability with thickened bones and armor plates on their sides.

B. Though tiny, blind, and translucent, a recently discovered species of catfish has thickened bones and armor plates on its sides that lessen its vulnerability.

C. A recently discovered species of catfish has thickened bones and armor plates on its sides that lessen their vulnerability, though tiny, blind, and translucent.

D. Thickened bones and armor plates on their sides lessen the vulnerability of a recently discovered species of catfish that is tiny, blind, and translucent.

E. Tiny, blind, and translucent, thickened bones and armor plates on its sides lessen the vulnerability of a recently discovered species of catfish.


(A) a recently and their ---Subject Verb disagreement
(B) Correct
(C) Same as (A)
(D)Their and a recently ...subject-verb disagreement
(E) Its and species of catfish .... subject verb disagreement
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I don’t know why the GMAT thinks this is important, but there are a whole bunch of official SC questions that include words that could be either singular or plural: “media” or “data” or “deer” or diabetes, just to name a few. The key is that the GMAT will always give you some hint about whether these nouns are singular or plural in the sentence.

With that in mind…

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A. Though being tiny, blind, and translucent, a recently discovered species of catfish lessens their vulnerability with thickened bones and armor plates on their sides.

Hopefully, the two uses of “their” jump off the page at you. Logically, “their” needs to refer back to a plural noun – in theory, “species of catfish.”

The trouble is, “species of catfish” is singular in this sentence. It’s pretty subtle, but the giveaway is the singular article “a”: “a… species of catfish” implies that we’re only talking about one species. So “their” is wrong.

Plus, the use of “being” is pretty goofy here. In general, it’s not cool to use “being” as a modifier – at the very least, it doesn’t seem to happen on the GMAT. And why would we say “though being tiny, blind, and translucent…” when we could just say “though tiny, blind, and translucent…”? The “being” serves no useful purpose.

So (A) is gone.

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B. Though tiny, blind, and translucent, a recently discovered species of catfish has thickened bones and armor plates on its sides that lessen its vulnerability.

Well, this fixes everything I complained about in (A). The opening modifier is succinct, and doesn’t have that silly use of “being” anymore. And now “its” refers logically back to the singular noun, “a… species of catfish.”

This looks good enough. Let’s keep (B).

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C. A recently discovered species of catfish has thickened bones and armor plates on its sides that lessen their vulnerability, though tiny, blind, and translucent.

The use of “their” in (C) is still a problem: “a… species of catfish” is singular, as described under answer choice (A).

Plus, the placement of that last modifier, “though tiny, blind, and translucent” is kind of odd. That modifier is right next to “their vulnerability”, and it doesn’t make sense to say that the “vulnerability” is tiny, blind, and translucent – it’s the species of catfish that has those characteristics.

So we have two pretty good reasons to ditch (C).

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D. Thickened bones and armor plates on their sides lessen the vulnerability of a recently discovered species of catfish that is tiny, blind, and translucent.

Once again, the pronoun “their” is a problem: “a recently discovered species of catfish” is still singular. See answer choice (A) for more on this issue.

So (D) is out.

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E. Tiny, blind, and translucent, thickened bones and armor plates on its sides lessen the vulnerability of a recently discovered species of catfish.

The pronoun is fine in (E), but now that opening modifier doesn't make sense: “tiny, blind, and translucent” seems to be describing “thickened bones and armor plates”, and that doesn’t make any sense. It’s the “species of catfish” that’s “tiny, blind, and translucent” – not the bones or armor plates.

So that wipes out (E), and we’re left with (B).



Hi GMATNinja,

thank you for the detailed explanation.. can you pls explain the use of plural verb 'lessen' in option B?? does it refer to sides??

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"a" refers to plural noun, right ? Whereas "the" refers to singular. But u mentioned "a species" is singular? Please explain
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Hi tejassvi, "a" pretty much always refers to singular (a person, a student, a car etc. are all singular); I am wondering whether you are confusing it with the exception that a number of a always plural, while the number of is always singular.

Why are we using lessen here? Shouldn't it be lessens?
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However, in the below OA, the verbless "when" clause is NOT next to the omitted subject.

OA : Under a provision of the Constitution that has never been applied, Congress is required to call a convention to consider possible amendments to the document when formally asked to do so by the legislatures of two-thirds of the states.

In conclusion, the verbless "(al)though" clause must be next to the omitted subject. However, the verbless "when" or "after" clause doesn't have to?


Generally, a modifier should be AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE to what it modifies.

OA: Under a provision of the Constitution that has never been applied, Congress is required to call a convention to consider possible amendments to the document when formally asked to do so by the legislatures of two-thirds of the states.
Here, when formally asked refers to the preceding subject in blue, while to do so refers to the preceding infinitive phrase in green (to do so = to call a convention).
For the meaning to be clear, when formally asked and to do so must both FOLLOW their intended referents.
Thus, the verbless when-clause is as close as possible to what it modifies.
As a result, it is crystal clear that when formally asked refers not to the document but to CONGRESS.

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C. A recently discovered species of catfish has thickened bones and armor plates on its sides that lessen their vulnerability, though tiny, blind, and translucent.

According to https://www.beatthegmat.com/q17-og13-re ... 63164.html, "Though" in C. illogically refers to "vulnerability," right?

The following structure would be incorrect:
Polio continues elsewhere, although eradicated in the United States.
Here, the verbless although clause is NOT next to the omitted subject (polio).


In the sentences above, the verbless though-clauses are NOT as close as possible to their intended subjects (species and polio).
Generally, a verbless though-clause will be adjacent to its implied subject.
An official example:
https://gmatclub.com/forum/with-only-5- ... 80619.html

Quote:
OA : The results of the company's cost-cutting measures are evident in its profits, which have increased five percent during the first three months of this year after falling over the last two years.


Here, after seems to serve as a PREPOSITION, with falling serving as its OBJECT.
Since no verb is implied in the blue portion, after falling does not seem to constitute a verbless clause.
A similar sentence:
The company increased profits by cutting costs.
Here, by cutting = PREPOSITION + NOUN.
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Though being tiny, blind, and translucent, a recently discovered species of catfish lessens their vulnerability with thickened bones and armor plates on their sides.


A. Though being tiny, blind, and translucent, a recently discovered species of catfish lessens their vulnerability with thickened bones and armor plates on their sides.
- ''a species of catfish'' is a singular collective noun. Hence, the singular noun cannot take the plural demonstrative pronoun ''their''.

B. Though tiny, blind, and translucent, a recently discovered species of catfish has thickened bones and armor plates on its sides that lessen its vulnerability. - has no error. Hence, (B) is the right answer choice.

C. A recently discovered species of catfish has thickened bones and armor plates on its sides that lessen their vulnerability, though tiny, blind, and translucent. - the singular collective noun " a species of catfish'' cannot take the plural demonstrative pronoun ''their''

D. Thickened bones and armor plates on their sides lessen the vulnerability of a recently discovered species of catfish that is tiny, blind, and translucent.
- the singular collective noun " a species of catfish'' cannot take the plural demonstrative pronoun ''their''

E. Tiny, blind, and translucent, thickened bones and armor plates on its sides lessen the vulnerability of a recently discovered species of catfish.
- (E) implies that it is the ''thickened bones'' that holds the properties of 'blindness', 'tiny', and 'translucent'. How can ''a bone" be considered as "blind''?
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Why are we using lessen here? Shouldn't it be lessens?

Hi livfcind, whether the verb should be lessen or lessens, depends on what that is modifying.

Here, that is modifying thickened bones and armor plates (plural) and hence, the correct verb is lessen (plural verb).
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