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As criminal activity on the Internet becomes more and more sophisticated, not only are thieves able to divert cash from company bank accounts, they can also pilfer valuable information such as business development strategies, new product specifications, and contract bidding plans, and sell the data to competitors.

What constitutes the sentence is an Independent Clause[ As criminal..becomes..sophisticated], IC[not only are thieves able to divert...accounts], IC[they can also pilfer..and sell..].

FANBOYS are to be used to separate IC's and not commas, which would make them run-on sentences. Are we not using above commas to separate IC's ?
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Hi Divya, As criminal..becomes..sophisticated is a Dependent clause.
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Hi Divya, As criminal..becomes..sophisticated is a Dependent clause.



OK, What about the the next two IC's separated by comma.
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Actually not only are thieves able to divert cash from company bank accounts is also not an IC. The presence of not only clearly indicates that there is something else to follow.

In fact, the real lesson to learn from this sentence is that not only need not necessarily be followed by but also.
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As criminal activity on the Internet becomes more and more sophisticated, not only are thieves able to divert cash from company bank accounts, they can also pilfer valuable information such as business development strategies, new product specifications, and contract bidding plans, and sell the data to competitors.

What constitutes the sentence is an Independent Clause[ As criminal..becomes..sophisticated], IC[not only are thieves able to divert...accounts], IC[they can also pilfer..and sell..].

FANBOYS are to be used to separate IC's and not commas, which would make them run-on sentences. Are we not using above commas to separate IC's ?


Hello DivyaKnows!

Thanks for your question! You are correct to say that we use coordinating conjunctions (FANBOYS) to separate independent clauses. Where I think you're getting mixed up is identifying which clauses are dependent and independent. Remember that independent clauses MUST be able to stand alone. If we separate each of the clauses visually, this might be easier to spot:

Original Sentence:

As criminal activity on the Internet becomes more and more sophisticated, not only are thieves able to divert cash from company bank accounts, they can also pilfer valuable information such as business development strategies, new product specifications, and contract bidding plans, and sell the data to competitors.

Clauses:

As criminal activity on the Internet becomes more and more sophisticated = cannot stand alone --> DEPENDENT clause

Not only are thieves able to divert cash from company bank accounts = cannot stand alone --> DEPENDENT clause

They can also pilfer valuable information such as business development strategies, new product specifications, and contract bidding plans, and sell the data to competitors. = can stand alone --> INDEPENDENT clause

We can use commas by themselves to separate the dependent clauses from each other, and we can also use commas to separate the dependent clauses from the independent clauses. The only time we need to use FANBOYS is when we're connecting two independent clauses together. Since there is only one independent clause here, just using commas is fine.

I hope this helps!
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Think gh I can understand why D is wrong, but this completely goes against the theory explained in Manhattan Sentence correction. Manhattan clearly says that "not only" has to follow "but also". :(

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Hello , generis

In option A , I am concerned about the connector and.

if you connect 2 sentences/ clauses with "and" you are implying that the two sentences are independent of each other.
But I think they pilfer to sell. These are not independent.
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(A) As criminal activity on the Internet becomes more and more sophisticated, not only are thieves able to divert cash from company bank accounts, they can also pilfer valuable information such as business development strategies, new product specifications, and contract bidding plans, and sell the data to competitors.

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Hello , generis

In option A , I am concerned about the connector and.

if you connect 2 sentences/ clauses with "and" you are implying that the two sentences are independent of each other.
But I think they pilfer to sell. These are not independent.

akash7gupta11 , I am not exactly sure what you are asking.
Is the official question correct? Yes.
As far as the highlighted sentence: I think that the idea is slightly overstated.

She went to an Ivy League school and [thereby] bought herself options.
She went to an Ivy League school in order to buy herself options.

See my citation in the footnote. Both sentences are acceptable. AND can be used for sentences that are not logically independent of each other.

This is a correct answer to an official question.
We need to figure out how to tweak your theory about "and." The theory is not quite correct. Answer A is correct.

We are allowed to use "and" in order to separate the second part of a compound subject from a list in the first part of the compound subject.

Essentially, we have two lists. After not only are the thieves able to divert cash from company bank accounts, we find out that the thieves can also engage in two other broad kinds of activity.
THEY can
--- pilfer data X, data Y, and data Z
AND
-- sell the data

This setup is called a compound predicate (one subject followed by two verbs).

The first verb phrase that begins with pilfer lists three examples.
They can
------pilfer valuable information SUCH AS
--------------business development strategies
--------------new product specifications, AND
--------------contract bidding plans,
AND
------sell the data to competitors.

We have two lists. We need an AND for the last item of the first list as well as an AND to precede the second part of the two-part verb.

I can't figure out why you object to the and.
You seem to be bothered by the meaning.

If you believe that intent should be reflected by replacing the second AND with in order to, in this question
and according to these options, that preference is not a necessity.
The one answer option that satisfies your theory is fatally flawed.

AND can join two clauses in which one makes the other possible.*

The sentence says, "Thieves can get money THIS way [bank accounts]; they can also steal X, Y, and Z, and sell the stolen goods to competitors [and get money THAT way].
Thieves pilfer things and sell them. Thieves pilfer things in order to sell them.
You might like the second sentence better, but it's not a reason to reject an answer unless the answer choices are clearly testing whether AND is out of place.

That option is not among these choices.

You might be bothered by the successive use of comma + and.
As I mentioned, such successive use is fine when required.
We need another AND to set the second part of the predicate off from the last item in the list.

I agree with you. The thieves do pilfer those things in order to sell them. But intent does not automatically lead to result.
This sentence discusses types of sophisticated criminal activity, not the mindset of thieves.
In other words, the thieves can steal the data and can sell what they stole, and these activities, above and beyond "merely" hacking a bank account, demonstrate the increasing sophistication of criminal activity on the internet.

This sentence describes those facts. The situation might be otherwise—no market is guaranteed.

It's okay that the sentence uses a conjunction to state that the thieves steal data and sell data.

Hope that helps.

**The uses of AND
13.23 (a) The second clause is a CONSEQUENCE or RESULT of the first; i.e., the first conjoin presents the circumstances (frequently the circumstantial background) enabling the event described in the second conjoin to take place. This [kind of AND conjunction] entails that the order of the clauses also reflects chronological sequence:

He heard an explosion and he (therefore) phoned the police.
Quirk et al. A Comprehensive Grammar of the English Language. §§13.22-23

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Just to ensure my understanding of the "not only..but also" idiom, would the following be a correct way of using it in this context?

"As criminal activity on the Internet becomes more and more sophisticated, the thieves are able to not only divert cash from company bank accounts, but also pilfer valuable information such as business development strategies, new product specifications, and contract bidding plans, and sell the data to competitors.
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NOT ONLY..... BUT ALSO IS USED FOR ONLY TWO THINGS. FOR MORE THAN TWO ELEMENTS WE HAVE TO USE A PARALLEL LIST, RIGHT? CAN
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New post 28 Aug 2019, 00:41
So I would like to approach this a below:

Reading the complete statement is necessary.

1. Option B and Option C, use INCLUDING to state examples which is unidiomatic, wherein SUCH AS is the perfect word to be used to state examples.

2. When it comes to usage of Not only.... But also... ( Parallelism need to be maintained)
The correct usage would be: The ministers are Not only thieves.... But also Murderers.. . However, options (D and E) fail to use the same correctly and fail to deliver the intended meaning.

3. The last element
Option A: ... and Sell Correct usage and maintains parallelism using AND --- to divert and pilfer
Option D: ... to Sell Eliminated because Meaning.. The statement doesnt say Theives only pilfer to Sell, they could also use it or destory it..
Option E: and Selling...Eliminated because lack of Parallelism using AND
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Hi,

I have a doubt regarding this question.

they can also pilfer info such as----, and sell data...
",and" construction is used for to connect 2 ICs. But in this case, "'and sell data.." does not have a subject.

How is this construction OK?

please help.

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As criminal activity on the Internet becomes more and more sophisticated, not only are thieves able to divert cash from company bank accounts, they can also pilfer valuable information such as business development strategies, new product specifications, and contract bidding plans, and sell the data to competitors.

A. they can also pilfer valuable information such as business development strategies, new product specifications, and contract bidding plans, and sell
B. they can also pilfer valuable information that includes business development strategies, new product specifications, and contract bidding plans, and selling
C. also pilfering valuable information including business development strategies, new product specifications, and contract bidding plans, selling
D. but also pilfer valuable information such as business development strategies, new product specifications, and contract bidding plans to sell
E. but also pilfering valuable information such as business development strategies, new product specifications, and contract bidding plans and selling

This question does not follow the idiom not only - but also. Why? And when is it acceptable to not use it? This is an OG2017 quesiton.


Hi,

It is not that But also would be wrong here, its only that the choices containing "not only ... but also" have other errors..
At times to lay more emphais, NOT ONLY is followed by a CLAUSE here .... so "but also" should have a clause..
But choices D and E are missing the SUBJECT, hence wrong..
even C does not have a subject..


A and B have "subject" but 'such as' is correctly used in A to give examples..

A




That's a very crisp and clear reply.Chetan sir one doubt..Is there any meaning error as well by any chance ...in the usage of 'to sell'..
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Snigdha241 wrote:
Hi,

I have a doubt regarding this question.

they can also pilfer info such as----, and sell data...
",and" construction is used for to connect 2 ICs. But in this case, "'and sell data.." does not have a subject.

How is this construction OK?

please help.

Thanks in advance.

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As criminal activity on the Internet becomes more and more sophisticated, not only are thieves able to divert cash from company bank accounts, they can also pilfer valuable information such as business development strategies, new product specifications, and contract bidding plans, and sell the data to competitors.


I think some of the confusion here stems from the fact that there's one parallel list nested within another parallel list.

    parallel list #1: "...they can also pilfer valuable information... and sell the data..."
    parallel list #2 (nested inside list #1): "... valuable information such as business development strategies, new product specifications, and contract bidding plans..."

The comma between "plans" and the "and" (highlighted above) is NOT there to connect two independent clauses. Instead, it just helps separate list #2 ("such as... strategies, new product specifications, and contract bidding plans") from list #1 ("pilfer... and sell"). This comma is simply used for clarity, and the GMAT is pretty flexible with that sort of comma usage. So there's no problem there at all.

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NOT ONLY..... BUT ALSO IS USED FOR ONLY TWO THINGS. FOR MORE THAN TWO ELEMENTS WE HAVE TO USE A PARALLEL LIST, RIGHT? CAN
GMATNinja PLEASE HELP.

Yes! The construction is, "... not only X but also Y," so it is generally used for two "things".

However, those "things" could certainly be comprised of multiple items, i.e.:

    "Coconut oil is great not only 1) for culinary uses such as frying, sautéing, and baking but also 2) for health and beauty applications such as relieving skin irritation and protecting hair from UV damage."

I hope that helps!
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