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the problem is not properly transcribed -

"and more firmly established than they may actually be." - change "that" to "than".

Option B - "to make their companies seem larger" - change "large" to "larger".

let us look at the answer options -

A - Incorrect.
"their company" is incorrect. look at the non-underlined portion - "more firmly established than they may actually be."
Also, we cannot say "large than". We need to use "larger".

B - Correct.
"ways to make their companies" - "to" correctly specifies a goal/purpose.

C - Incorrect.
"new entrepreneurs may need to find resourceful ways, thus making their companies seem larger"

Here the comma + ing modifier seems to indicate an effect of the previous clause. "making their companies seem larger" does not make sense as the effect of "may need to find resourceful ways".

D - Incorrect.
"the companies" does not make it clear that we are referring to the companies founded by those entrepreneurs.
"so that" does not make much sense here -
"need to find resourceful ways, so that the companies seem larger" - this suggests that only the fact that entrepreneurs need to find resourceful ways is sufficient.
It does not answer the question "What kind of ways?". Option B, on the other hand, makes this clear - "ways to make the company seem larger".

E - Incorrect.
"their company" and "large" are both incorrect.
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Also, note that in the correct answer option the same pronoun stands for different things -

"ways to make their companies seem larger and more firmly established than they actually may be".

"their" refers to entrepreneurs.
"they" refers to companies.

The thing to remember is that they are in different clauses. the second follows the conjunction "than".
As long as this happens does not happen in the same clause, this usage is fine.
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Especially in the early years, new entrepreneurs may need to find resourceful ways, like renting temporary office space or using answering services, than make their company seem large and more firmly established that they may actually be.



This topic is said to be from Official Guide. Then it is interesting to note that the comparison marker' like' is used to denote examples in the non-underlined portion.
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Especially in the early years, new entrepreneurs may need to find resourceful ways, like renting temporary office space or using answering services, that make their company seem large and more firmly established than they may actually be.

A) that make their company seem large
B) to make their companies seem larger
C) thus making their companies seem larger
D) so that the companies seem larger
E) of making their company seem large


the wrong choices have meaning errors and option B clearly gives the correct meaning.
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I already read all explanation including Pronz's, and after reading the explanations, I was convinced with the right choice. However, I have following doubts.

1. I saw the snakes lying behind the buildings. They were playing there. They were built before 10 years. --wrong

Above sentence is absolutely wrong. However, it clearly states the meaning: first "they" refers to snakes, and second "they" refers to building

A pronoun can have only one antecedent. Is it allowed for a pronoun in different forms(one possessive and one subjective form ) to refer different antecedents?

Especially in the early years, new entrepreneurs may need to find resourceful ways, like renting temporary office space or using answering services, to make their companies seem larger and more firmly established than they may actually be.

In the above sentence, "their" refers to entrepreneurs, and they refer to the companies. Please explain.


2. Like is used to compare, not to present examples. "Renting temporary office space" or "using answering services" are the examples of the "resourceful ways". Why is the usage of like correct here?

She is going to buy the clothes like shirt, t-shirt.--wrong

she is going to buy the clothes such as shirt,t-shirt-- right (examples of clothes)

Like Sam, I play in the garden --right (comparison)



Hello AR15J and RMD007,


1. Many of our students also raise the same question as to how same pronoun can be used to refer to two different noun antecedents. We at e-GMAT do not subscribe to any such rule. We apply and encourage our students also to apply meaning-based approach rather than rule-oriented approach.

The context of the sentence makes it absolutely clear that pronoun their correctly refers to entrepreneurs and pronoun they correctly refers to companies. The companies belong to the entrepreneurs, and the companies should seem larger than they may actually be. There is no other meaning possible.

Takeaway: As long as they refer to their logical antecedents without any ambiguity whatsoever, same pronouns can be used to refer to different noun entities.

2. It seems that the GMAC has altered its stance on the usage of like. The thing to bear in mind is that if an answer choice uses like to present examples and not comparison, we cannot reject that choice only because it does not present comparison. We will have to look for a deterministic error to reject that choice.


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Especially in the early years, new entrepreneurs may need to find resourceful ways, like renting temporary office space or using answering services, that make their company seem large and more firmly established than they may actually be.

(A) that make their company seem large ===> as the non-underlined portion mentions "they" it should refer to plural companies and not singular "company"

(B) to make their companies seem larger ===> CORRECT - To make is the correct usage here

(C) thus making their companies seem larger - thus making companies seem larger is not correct, slightly distorts the meaning.

(D) so that the companies seem larger - "so that" is not the correct usage here

(E) of making their company seem large ===> as the non-underlined portion mentions "they" it should refer to plural companies and not singular "company"

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Especially in the early years, new entrepreneurs may need to find resourceful ways, like renting temporary office space or using answering services, that make their company seem large and more firmly established than they may actually be.

(E) of making their companies seem large

If in option E, company is replaced with companies, than is this option correct? Also, if this is correct, how the structures connected by AND are parallel?

making their companies seem large
AND
more firmly established than they may actually be.

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What does 'they may actually be' modify? IMO, both the --seem larger and more firm establishment--. If it were to modify only the second point, then the correct way of expressing that structure would be --- more firmly established than they may actually be and seem larger---.
One can have proof of this from the Harlem magazines case.
Published in Harlem, the owner and editor of the Messenger were two young journalists, Chandler Owen and A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader.
(C) Published in Harlem, the Messenger was owned and edited by two young journalists, A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader, and Chandler Owen.
One can see the flipped structure in which the correct answer.
This evidently means that larger is require rather than large to go in tandem with the comparative comparator' they'


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E) Of making their companies seem large

If in option E, company is replaced with companies, than is this option correct? In addition, if this is correct, how the structures connected by AND are parallel?

making their companies seem large
AND
more firmly established than they may actually be.



The revised E isn't still good enough since large has been retained rather than larger
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hello experts,
here i am clear about the intent/purpose part
but "SO THAT"can also be used to show the intent/purpose of previous action as it is in option D.but it is still incorrect.
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here i am clear about the intent/purpose part
but "SO THAT"can also be used to show the intent/purpose of previous action as it is in option D.but it is still incorrect.
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Hi JAIN09, indeed GMAT is playing very cheeky here).

Would you say following is a correct sentence:

Peter is looking for ways.

Clearly this is not correct, because this needs to be followed by: ways to do what?

So, following would be correct:

Peter is looking for ways to increase his GMAT score.

Notice that to increase his GMAT score is the object of ways here.

So, basically, in this kind of a usage, what we were looking for, was an object (of ways), but what D provides is the reason for ways.
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Hi GMATNinja ,

Can you please explain the "seem" used in option B is a verb or ed modifier.
If it is a verb , then isn't it a run-on case.


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Here are my two cents:

Quote:
Especially in the early years, new entrepreneurs may need to find resourceful ways, like renting temporary office space or using answering services, that make their company seem large and more firmly established than they may actually be.

Quote:
(B) to make their companies seem larger

seem is a verb here. See below sentence structure:

Especially in the early years, new entrepreneurs may need to find resourceful ways, like renting temporary office space or using answering services, to make their companies seem larger and more firmly established than they may actually be.

Highlighted AND correctly connects - seem and established (verbs) for subject - companies

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Especially in the early years, new entrepreneurs may need to find resourceful ways, like renting temporary office space or using answering services, that make their company seem large and more firmly established than they may actually be.



(A) that make their company seem large

(B) to make their companies seem larger

(C) thus making their companies seem larger

(D) so that the companies seem larger

(E) of making their company seem large

We need "companies" at place of "company"

"ways to" is correct
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Especially in the early years,

C1: new entrepreneurs(S) may need to find(V) resourceful ways,

ike renting temporary office space or using answering services, 

that make their company seem large and more firmly established than they may actually be(C2).

Let me know if my analysis is correct above for C1.If correct Here we already an IC C1 and have another clause C2 seperated by comma without FANBOYS. In D we have ,so ... which is properly connecting two ICs. pls explain as I am unable to find any error comment in any option regarding IC,IC connection.
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Especially in the early years, new entrepreneurs may need to find resourceful ways, like renting temporary office space or using answering services, that make their company seem large and more firmly established than they may actually be.

(A) that make their company seem large
(B) to make their companies seem larger
(C) thus making their companies seem larger
(D) so that the companies seem larger
(E) of making their company seem large

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Meaning and idiom list can be the key for the question , new entrepreneurs will try to make their companies larger in size than they actually may be . Idiom is "to make"
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Especially in the early years, new entrepreneurs may need to find resourceful ways, like renting temporary office space or using answering services, that make their company seem large and more firmly established than they may actually be.

A) that make their company seem large
B) to make their companies seem larger
C) thus making their companies seem larger
D) so that the companies seem larger
E) of making their company seem large

Problems with option D:

X so that Y: Usage of this idiom implies:
1) Y is subordinate to X
2)Y is adverbial, i.e., it is an explainer for the clause X. It answers the question why X?
Why do the new entrepreneurs need to find resourceful ways? So that the companies seem larger and more established.

While this makes perfect sense logically, this is not the intended meaning. It is not clear who makes the companies seem larger and more established. The intended meaning is to bring out the intent : the ability of new age entrepreneurs to control/influence the outcome.

Analogous question:OG #171

In 1527 King Henry VII sought to have his marriage to Queen Catherine annulled so as to marry Anne Boleyn.

A) so as to marry
Doesn't make it clear who is to marry Anne Boleyn? Is it King Henry VII? Queen Catherine? Anyone else in the world ? GMATis uncomfortable with this level of logical ambiguity.
D) so that he could marry
Aha! So...he himself wanted to marry Anne Boleyn. No wonder he tried to annul the marriage.

To resolve between A) and D) we have to use the same logic.

Too subtle? Unfortunately this is the only way to resolve this split correctly, as some of you intuitively figured out.

Key takeway:
The to-infinitive states purpose with the subject involved more directly,whereas "so X that Y" has more indirect implications.
In broader terms, grammar alone is insufficient to get through SC: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... -questions
Here is how you can solve this question using meaning:

Converting this question into an analogous easier to digest sentence to spot, extract and replace:

A)We need to find ways THAT beat GMAT.
B)We need to find ways TO beat the GMAT.
C)We need to ways THUS beating the GMAT
D)We need to find the way SO THAT GMAT is beaten.
E)We need to find ways OF beating the GMAT.

Only E) and B) are correct, because OF and TO are the correct preposition that go with WAYS, as confirmed by the official explanation.
The basis of this decision is meaning: We are concerned with the ability to control the outcome of the GMAT. This is why demonstrative THAT in A is wrong, the adverbials THUS in C) and SO THAT in D) are all wrong.

My 2 cents:

If you see this as the only split to resolve between the two options(one that uses so X that Y & the other uses X to Y) then the questions is experimental and you dont have to worry about it, as Ron and Mike both agree that GMAT does't test only this split. (I can post citations if someone requests them.)

On the other hand this questions does have another split. Comparing B) and D) vertically(since we have already eliminated all other options based on criteria already discussed above) quickly lands us an easy decision point.

B) to make their companies seem larger
D) so that the companies seem larger

Did you catch the subtle scope shift? There is significant loss in intended meaning.

Why at all should new age entrepreneurs be worried about all companies? They are desperate to search for innovative means so as to ensure that their companies see the light of day!

Other splits not discussed (Disclaimer :read only if really really interested):

How to resolve between "of" and "to" without using other splits:Chronology!

Again meaning gives a interesting insight that helps me arrive at the right answer without searching for other splits.
B) to make their companies seem larger
Implies correct chronology: the infinitive "may need to" is futuristic: When the statement has been made the companies have not yet been made to appear larger or well established. First we find ways, then implement it and ultimately reap the benefits.
E) of making their company seem large
Chronology of the gerund "making":Since a gerund is a noun, it exists objectively, i.e., it already exists(either starting at the same time or before the time of the main clause.
This implies, that the companies have already or are currently being made to appear well established. This is grossly incorrect, as the time of occurrence of main sentence(present), new age entrepreneurs have not found ways yet.
This is not evident in first read, but read it a couple of times and you can recognize why this is enough to solve the question.

P.S.:Usage of Like is completely justified since the author of the sentence is speculating on hypothetical examples ("may need to..."), not literal ones.

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in many og problem, a choice is not illogic but is not intended meaning and this choice make trouble for me.
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In this question, what is the main verb ? is to make ? if yes, can a to verb be main verb ?

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may need is the verb; to make is no more than a complement required to give a little more meaning to the main verb in this case.
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Thank You Sir,
I think I have some fundamental gaps, verb is understood to be an action or doing something or an act ? can need be an verb ?

Also, can a to verb be a main verb ?

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Please see the link cited below.
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/need

'To need' is an infinitive and is technically called a verbal. A verbal cannot be the main verb .
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