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Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.

(A) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than

(B) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than

(C) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than were

(D) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were

(E) in isolation and without contacts with Europeans longer than

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Rather than tread farther out on this partic­ular patch of thin ice, I would like to venture in another direction, toward a possible expla­nation for the persistence of Palaeoeskimo art and religion in Bering Sea Eskimo culture. What factors might have been important in preserving these traditions in this particular region? Two, geography and ecology, are worthy of special consideration. Even in the late 18th and 19th centuries, Bering Sea Eskimos were isolated from contact with Euro­peans longer than were Aleuts or Eskimos of the North Pacific, Bering Strait, and north Alaska. This was why Nelson found the Yukon-Kuskokwim Delta so rich in traditional culture. The reasons for this isolation have to do with the shallowness of the Bering Sea which made it difficult for European ships to approach the coast; the absence of stocks of commercially-exploitable whales and walrus; and the limited scale of a land-based European-Eskimo fur trade.

This has been disucussed on the forum many times. Please clarify my doubt about the comparison made in B and D.

Why is B incorrect?

Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska (were isolated from contact with Europeans).

When should be use verb as is used in 'D' and when we can omit the verb as is done in 'B'. Please give your insight.


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We can simply get rid of choices using - in isolation- as being wordy; A, C and E are out.
Between B and D, the critical point is whether we need the -were– after - than – Yes we do need;’ or else, the comparison turns out to be between Europeans and Aleuts rather than between the isolation of Bering Inuits and isolation of Aleuts

B is bad comparison while D puts it down correctly and hence the right answer
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The problem with option B is that it's ambiguous. Whenever you have two options in a comparison in which the difference is a helping verb think of ambiguity

B contains two possible interpretations

(1) Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than [from] Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
Incorrect intended meaning

(2) Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than [were] Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska

correct meaning

Since there is an ambiguity the helping verb is necessary

Normally if you have Sub + verb + obj or prep phrase + comparison + object
you may have this kind of ambiguity and you need the helping verb to solve it.
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Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
(A) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than
(B) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than
(C) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than were
(D) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were
(E) in isolation and without contacts with Europeans longer than

The first thing which should be on mind when we find out any
any comparison is that both comparators should be equal. Here "X than Y", so X=Y.
"Inuits were isolated" cannot be equal to "Inuits of NP". And if we do so we are comparing
an action ( being isolated ) with directly a noun. Which can never make sense. We have to compare actions here. Hence "than WERE .... " is needed to show that we are comparing the isolation factor for both Inuits.
Anyway, I saw one more interesting point in this Q. How to choose between "C" and "D". I really hate to get an answer -- "It is idiomatic!". I think idioms are goodie packs for native english speakers. Anyways. I think "in isolation from" is not idiomatic. I will love to see some grammatical explanation for the same.
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This Q is in the verbal review #106, and verbal review 2nd edition# 103.
I was wrong on this one. The correct answer is D and explaination is given on page#303. Reason for the error is given as "Idiom +logical predication". Construction "in isolation from" is awkward.
so, between B and D,
B--means that inuits of Bering Sea were isolated from Europeans longer than they were isolated from Aleuts.
D--means that Inuits of Bering Sea were isolated from Europeans for a longer time than the time period that Aleuts were isolated from Europeans.
Hope this makes it clear and Thank you as I got to learn from this query too.
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(B) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than - As if from contact with Europeans who were longer than Inuits (comparing Inuits with Europeans)

(D) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were - (comparing Inuits of Bering Sea with Inuits of North Pacific and northern Alaska )
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Good work on this problem. One quick note about A,C, and E:

Although "in isolation from" is wordy, "wordy" isn't really a clear grammatical rule. I generally advise people to be a bit more specific when ruling out answer choices on the GMAT. If there is a clear grammatical rule (subject-verb agreement, pronoun ambiguity, parallelism, etc.) then always use that before crossing off an answer for "wordiness," "unclear meaning," or "concision." Using this strategy will increase accuracy during the test, but more importantly it will give studiers more direction in their studying because it will show them what grammatical rule they found (or didn't find) and
allow them to study that specific rule.

In this case, the specific rule related to A,C, and E is idioms. (see chapter 9 in the Manhattan GMAT Sentence Correction Guide, if you have it). "Isolated from" is a correct idiom, but "in isolation from" is not.

If idioms are tough for anybody out there, make some flashcards. Like geometry, idioms simply have to be memorized.
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Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
(A) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than
(B) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than
(C) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than were
(D) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were
(E) in isolation and without contacts with Europeans longer than

This has been disucussed on the forum many times. Please clarify my doubt about the comparison made in B and D.

Why is B incorrect?

Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska (were isolated from contact with Europeans).

When should be use verb as is used in 'D' and when we can omit the verb as is done in 'B'. Please give your insight.


Lets rephrase it to make it simple:

X was in isloation from Y longer than Z of North Pacific.

What we want to convey is the following ides:

X was isolated from Y longer than X was isolated from Z of North Pacific.

Which can be written as:

X was isolated from Y longer than was Z of North Pacific.

So we we revert back the answer should be like:
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolation from contact with Europeans longer than were Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.

So D should be correct.
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D is the winner here.

We are comparing "Intuits of the Bering Sea" with "Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and Northern Alaska." . We need a helping verb "were" to ensure un-ambiguous comparison.

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Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and Northern Alaska.
A) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than
B) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than
C) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than were
D) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were
E) in isolation and without contacts with Europeans longer than

The first split you're likely to notice is that between in isolation from and isolated from. Isolation is a noun, and in this sentence isolated is a modifier. The modifier is usually better than the noun in such circumstances, especially when the noun is an action noun such as isolation. Exceptions are common enough that I generally set that issue aside to look for another split. In fact, I generally consider all issues of concision last. But I have a fair degree of confience in this split, and so will eliminate A, C, and E.

The only difference between B and C is the word were in D. Grammatically, B is ambigious between Inuits were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than from contact with Aluets and Inuits were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aluets were isolated from contact from Europeans. D is unambiguous. Choose D.

A couple of additional points: First, for more info on choices among action nouns, modifiers, and verbs, see pages 207-211 of our Sentence Correction Strategy Guide. Second, B above may be no more ambiguous than are some right answers. It's only bevause of the split between B and D that we considered ambiguity here. You shouldn't go out hunting for it.
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It has to be were isolated from as opposed to isolation. Hence A,C and E out. I found this explanation in MGMAT and I thought it was really convincing.

X were isolated from Europeans longer than Y - Option B
X were isolated from Europeans longer than were Y - Option D

Clearly D
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Explanation is not convincing. My questions is the expanded answer doesnt make sense, so are there any assumptions to be made
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Literal expansion of choice D is
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska.

But, the expected answer seem to be
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska were <isolated from Europeans>


Above doesnt seem to be a meaningful sentence. Are there any assumptions made in the above sentence?
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Explanation is not convincing. My questions is the expanded answer doesnt make sense, so are there any assumptions to be made
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Literal expansion of choice D is
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska.

But, the expected answer seem to be
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska were <isolated from Europeans>


Above doesnt seem to be a meaningful sentence. Are there any assumptions made in the above sentence?



This is an official question, everything is correct! The above sentence is perfect.

Where you place the ausiliar verb ("were") does not matter, both sentences are correct and mean the same thing.

The expantion of D is:

Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were <isolated from Europeans> Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska.

If you have a specific doubt about D, please post it, but keep in mind that the your two examples mean the same thing.
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Hi, Zarrolou.

Yes, both the sentences posted by me are one and the same. What I am not understanding is the literal expansion of the answer doesnt seem to be make a meaningful sentence. So, are there any assumptions to be made to make a meaningful sentence out of the given answer.
Below sentence from you doesnt make meaningful sentence to me.
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were isolated from Europeans Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska.

Originally posted by kiranck007 on 09 Jul 2013, 23:33.
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Explanation is not convincing. My questions is the expanded answer doesnt make sense, so are there any assumptions to be made
Hi,
Literal expansion of choice D is
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska.

But, the expected answer seem to be
Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aluets or Inuits of the North Pacific and northers Alaska were <isolated from Europeans>


Above doesnt seem to be a meaningful sentence. Are there any assumptions made in the above sentence?


hi,

whenever there is ambiguity in answer choice ..then that choice is wrong...

lets take a simple example:

john loves pizza more than his wife.

==>here you can interpret two meanings
1)john loves pizza more and he loves his wife less.(comparison between pizza and wife)
2)john loves pizza more than his wife loves pizza(comparison between john and his wife)

so we are not sure what we are comparing.
lets take our question:

Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
(A) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than
(B) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than
(C) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than were
(D) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were
(E) in isolation and without contacts with Europeans longer than

Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
.here in this original sentence...we are not clear what we are comparing:
1)europeans and aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska
or
2)Inuits of the Bering Sea AND aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
..COMPARE TO ABOVE GIVEN EXAMPLE..TO MAKE IT CLEAR.

now in option D

Inuits of the Bering Sea were isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
HERE IT IS CLEAR THE COMPARISON IS BETWEEN:

Inuits of the Bering Sea AND aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.==>HENCE CORRECT

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Hi, Zarrolou.

Yes, both the sentences posted by me are one and the same. What I am not understanding is the literal expansion of the answer doesnt seem to be make a meaningful sentence. So, are there any assumptions to be made to make a meaningful sentence out of the given answer.


No, there is no assumption to be made.

What I'm trying to say is that both your examples are "meaningful sentence", and the position of "were" (what you change in your example) does not affect the meaning of the correct answer.

Hope my point is clear
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Hi Kiranck,

I have no issues with your expanded sentence.

Could you explain in more detail why it is wrong?

I think that would help us help you?

(BTW I don't mean why it is better or worse than your alternative, I agree this is also a good sentence, but in GMAT we don't want 'perfect' we just want the 'best available')

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Inuits of the Bering Sea were in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska.
(A) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than
(B) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than
(C) in isolation from contact with Europeans longer than were
(D) isolated from contact with Europeans longer than were
(E) in isolation and without contacts with Europeans longer than

This has been disucussed on the forum many times. Please clarify my doubt about the comparison made in B and D.

Why is B incorrect?



B is incorrect because it distorts the intended meaning of the author. "were isolated.. longer than Aleuts or Inuits..." This implies that "Inuits were X, longer than (they were) Y or Z".. This compares three different properties of Inuits..

The "were" in E tells us that Inuits should be compared to Y and Z, NOT that Y and Z are properties/traits of Inuits.. "Inuits WERE X, longer than Y and Z WERE (X)" . That's the correct comparison and preserves the intended meaning of the author.
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is the choice D can also be presented in this form?
" isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska were "

is Subject and verb can always be swop?
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is the choice D can also be presented in this form?
" isolated from contact with Europeans longer than Aleuts or Inuits of the North Pacific and northern Alaska were "

Yes that's correct; in fact, this is quite a common pattern.
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