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The original building and loan associations were organized as limited life funds, whose members made monthly payments on their share subscriptions, then taking turns drawing on the funds for home mortgages.


(A) subscriptions, then taking turns drawing

(B) subscriptions, and then taking turns drawing

(C) subscriptions and then took turns drawing

(D) subscriptions and then took turns, they drew

(E) subscriptions and then drew, taking turns



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IMO C.

The two verbs in the subclause should be parallel: made....took
A one after the other relationship is occuring here >>>
made monthly payments on their share.....and then took turns

DRAWING is correct usage here to indicate the ongoing activity.

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The original building and loan associations were organized as limited life funds, whose members made monthly payments on their share subscriptions, then taking turns drawing on the funds for home mortgages.

(A) subscriptions, then taking turns drawing
(B) subscriptions, and then taking turns drawing
(C) subscriptions and then took turns drawing
(D) subscriptions and then took turns, they drew
(E) subscriptions and then drew, taking turns


For me is between C and E.
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it is C.

homeowners made monthly payments on their..... and took turns drawing on the funds....conveys the correct meaning.

homeowners made monthly payments on their.....and then drew, taking turns on the funds....is awkward
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I picked C for this question:

A. There are parallelism issues here because we are trying to describe the 2 things that members do: made payments...and took turns. "Taking" is not parallel to "made." My initial thought was that "taking" was actually a modifier - in either case, this answer choice is still incorrect.

B. The coordinating conjunction separates 2 independent clauses. "Then taking..." is not an independent clause making this answer choice incorrect. Also, it suffers from parallelism issues.

C. This answer is correct because the verbs are parallel: made monthly payments...and took turns drawing.

D. There is a comma splice. 2 independent clauses are separated by a comma - this is incorrect.

E. "Taking..." seems to be modifying the entire clause preceding it - this makes no sense.
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The original building and loan associations were organized as limited life funds, whose members made monthly payments on their share subscriptions and then took turns, they drew on the funds for home mortgages.

Can someone explain the run-on in option D do we need a semi-colon (;)?

semi-colon is used to join 2 IC's but doesn't "whose" start a DC?
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The original building and loan associations were organized as limited life funds, whose members made monthly payments on their share subscriptions and then took turns, they drew on the funds for home mortgages.

Can someone explain the run-on in option D do we need a semi-colon (;)?

semi-colon is used to join 2 IC's but doesn't "whose" start a DC?


Yes, semi-colon is used to join 2 ICs or we can also use conjunctions (FANBOYS) to join 2 ICs.

But, here the clause after the comma is not an IC but a relative clause. Also, who, whom, whose, which can only act as relative clauses because they are referring back to some noun in the sentence. Like in this case, whose is referring back to the noun "limited life funds".

You can read the below sentence and see whether it makes sense by itself, it won't. Thus, it'll always be a relative or a dependent clause.
whose members made monthly payments on their share subscriptions and then took turns, they drew on the funds for home mortgages

Choice C: Both the verbs made and took are parallel in the relative clause.

Let me know if it makes sense.
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I have a query in the below OG question:

The original building and loan associations were organized as limited life funds, whose members made monthly payments on their share subscriptions, then taking turns drawing on the funds for home mortgages.
(A) subscriptions, then taking turns drawing
(B) subscriptions, and then taking turns drawing
(C) subscriptions and then took turns drawing
(D) subscriptions and then took turns, they drew
(E) subscriptions and then drew, taking turns

Below is my query:

I know that a verb-ing modifier when put without a comma after a noun(object) will modify the object itself and not the subject. As happens in the below example:

He killed the snake using a stick.

Then in the OG question above, isn't drawing modifies noun turns? instead of modifying members?

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I have a query in the below OG question:

The original building and loan associations were organized as limited life funds, whose members made monthly payments on their share subscriptions, then taking turns drawing on the funds for home mortgages.
(A) subscriptions, then taking turns drawing
(B) subscriptions, and then taking turns drawing
(C) subscriptions and then took turns drawing
(D) subscriptions and then took turns, they drew
(E) subscriptions and then drew, taking turns

Below is my query:

I know that a verb-ing modifier when put without a comma after a noun(object) will modify the object itself and not the subject. As happens in the below example:

He killed the snake using a stick.

Then in the OG question above, isn't drawing modifies noun turns? instead of modifying members?


Hi shindesubodh

Yes, you're correct. Verb-ing modifier without a comma --> modifies a preceding noun.
Thus, drawing modifies turns. It tells us that what the turns draw on (turns draw on the funds for home mortgages).

As in your example:
He killed the snake using a stick. <-- Verb-ing modifier without a comma ==> "using" modifies snake, not "he". Thus, the sentence does not make any sense.

Hope it helps.
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Hi Subodh,

Remember that verbs in the '-ing' form can be modifiers, but they can also just be actions.

In this case, ‘drawing’ is part of the verb ‘took’. Think of it this way: instead of saying the members ‘took turns drawing on the funds’, we can also say the members ‘took turns to draw on the funds,’ and it would not change the meaning of the sentence. Since ‘drawing’ in this case is interchangeable with the verb ‘to draw’, it is functioning as part of the action in this sentence.

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Hi Deepak,

The second analysis of the sentence is absurd, since the members are the subject of the verb 'taking' and the sentence makes no sense without the second clause. This is the second query of yours that I've seen in which you've tried to make sense of a sentence by removing a part of it. This is not recommended at all.

As for why option A is wrong, let's look at this part of your analysis: Meaning Cl2: Fund members made monthly payment of their part ,then as a result of that they took turns to draw on the funds for something .

Is 'taking turns to draw on the funds' a result of the previous clause?

Let's look at a similar example:

Mary set aside some funds for her college fees, withdrawing some money every semester.

This sentence indicates that Mary withdrew some money because she set aside some funds for her fees. Does that make sense? She withdrew the money to pay her fees. To withdraw the money, she had to deposit it first. So, these are two separate actions that are chronological: first, she set aside some money. Then, she withdrew it. This does not mean that she withdrew the money because she deposited it. Note that just because one action happens after another, it does not mean that they share a cause-and-effect relationship. So, this sentence is incorrect.

Applying this understanding to the OG question, we can understand it as follows: first, the fund members made monthly payments. Then, they took turns drawing on the funds. Why did they draw on the funds? Answer: for home mortgages. They did not draw on the funds because they made monthly payments. So, the two actions do not have a cause-and-effect relationship and have to be written as parallel actions joined by 'and'.

I hope this helps!

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I am also looking for the explanation of this query. Could anyone expert answer this, please.

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Hi Deepak,

The second analysis of the sentence is absurd, since the members are the subject of the verb 'taking' and the sentence makes no sense without the second clause. This is the second query of yours that I've seen in which you've tried to make sense of a sentence by removing a part of it. This is not recommended at all.

As for why option A is wrong, let's look at this part of your analysis: Meaning Cl2: Fund members made monthly payment of their part ,then as a result of that they took turns to draw on the funds for something .

Is 'taking turns to draw on the funds' a result of the previous clause?

Let's look at a similar example:

Mary set aside some funds for her college fees, withdrawing some money every semester.

This sentence indicates that Mary withdrew some money because she set aside some funds for her fees. Does that make sense? She withdrew the money to pay her fees. To withdraw the money, she had to deposit it first. So, these are two separate actions that are chronological: first, she set aside some money. Then, she withdrew it. This does not mean that she withdrew the money because she deposited it. Note that just because one action happens after another, it does not mean that they share a cause-and-effect relationship. So, this sentence is incorrect.

Applying this understanding to the OG question, we can understand it as follows: first, the fund members made monthly payments. Then, they took turns drawing on the funds. Why did they draw on the funds? Answer: for home mortgages. They did not draw on the funds because they made monthly payments. So, the two actions do not have a cause-and-effect relationship and have to be written as parallel actions joined by 'and'.

I hope this helps!

Regards,
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Hi Meghna,

In the eg. sentence: Mary set aside some funds for her college fees, withdrawing some money every semester.

can the verb-ing modifier 'withdrawing' describe(answer the how part) the 'action of Mary' in the preceding clause?
then the meaning of the sentence above would be 'Mary set aside some funds for her college fees by withdrawing some money every semester.'

what is wrong if we assume this as the meaning of the sentence?

Can you throw some light on when does the verb-ing modifier describe the action in the preceding clause and when does it express the results of the preceding clause.

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I am also looking for the explanation of this query. Could anyone expert answer this, please.

jeetmech152 wrote:
egmat wrote:
Hi Deepak,

The second analysis of the sentence is absurd, since the members are the subject of the verb 'taking' and the sentence makes no sense without the second clause. This is the second query of yours that I've seen in which you've tried to make sense of a sentence by removing a part of it. This is not recommended at all.

As for why option A is wrong, let's look at this part of your analysis: Meaning Cl2: Fund members made monthly payment of their part ,then as a result of that they took turns to draw on the funds for something .

Is 'taking turns to draw on the funds' a result of the previous clause?

Let's look at a similar example:

Mary set aside some funds for her college fees, withdrawing some money every semester.

This sentence indicates that Mary withdrew some money because she set aside some funds for her fees. Does that make sense? She withdrew the money to pay her fees. To withdraw the money, she had to deposit it first. So, these are two separate actions that are chronological: first, she set aside some money. Then, she withdrew it. This does not mean that she withdrew the money because she deposited it. Note that just because one action happens after another, it does not mean that they share a cause-and-effect relationship. So, this sentence is incorrect.

Applying this understanding to the OG question, we can understand it as follows: first, the fund members made monthly payments. Then, they took turns drawing on the funds. Why did they draw on the funds? Answer: for home mortgages. They did not draw on the funds because they made monthly payments. So, the two actions do not have a cause-and-effect relationship and have to be written as parallel actions joined by 'and'.

I hope this helps!

Regards,
Meghna


Hi Meghna,

In the eg. sentence: Mary set aside some funds for her college fees, withdrawing some money every semester.

can the verb-ing modifier 'withdrawing' describe(answer the how part) the 'action of Mary' in the preceding clause?
then the meaning of the sentence above would be 'Mary set aside some funds for her college fees by withdrawing some money every semester.'

what is wrong if we assume this as the meaning of the sentence?

Can you throw some light on when does the verb-ing modifier describe the action in the preceding clause and when does it express the results of the preceding clause.

Thanks in advance


If the intended meaning is that 'Mary set aside some funds for her college fees by withdrawing some money every semester.', then there is no problem with the sentence 'Mary set aside some funds for her college fees, withdrawing some money every semester.'.

"Withdrawal" happens first, and then happens "setting aside".

However this reasoning leads to a meaningless sentence for the original question (option A):

Members made monthly payments, (then) drawing on the funds.... this sentence implies that drawing happens first, and then happens "making monthly payments". However the usage of "then" indicates the events happened in the reverse order. "Making monthly payments" happened first, and THEN happened "drawing.". Thus the sentence is meaningless.
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Answer is C
Parallelism is at at play here.
X's were organized as limited life funds, whose members made monthly payments on their share subscriptions, then taking turns drawing on the funds for home mortgages.

(Took is the correct parallelism with made)

ALSO :---> The second dependent clause needs a FANBOYS conjunction. In this case it needs an "AND"

So we must look for an answer that has "AND + TOOK"

C and D are right there to be plucked

D is wrong (It's a very nasty run-on error also called as the comma splice error)

C is correct


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The original building and loan associations were organized as limited life funds, whose members made monthly payments on their share subscriptions, then taking turns drawing on the funds for home mortgages.

(A) subscriptions, then taking turns drawing
(B) subscriptions, and then taking turns drawing
(C) subscriptions and then took turns drawing
(D) subscriptions and then took turns, they drew
(E) subscriptions and then drew, taking turns

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The original building and loan associations were organized as limited life funds, whose members made monthly payments on their share subscriptions, then taking turns drawing on the funds for home mortgages.

(A) subscriptions, then taking turns drawing
(B) subscriptions, and then taking turns drawing
(C) subscriptions and then took turns drawing
(D) subscriptions and then took turns, they drew
(E) subscriptions and then drew, taking turns


Anyone please to paraphrase whole the sentence? Is not the meaning cause and effect?
How can we eliminate E?
also, how C wins? I'm confused about the word 'drawing' after the word 'turns'.
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The original building and loan associations were organized as limited life funds, whose members made monthly payments on their share subscriptions, then taking turns drawing on the funds for home mortgages.

(A) subscriptions, then taking turns drawing
(B) subscriptions, and then taking turns drawing
(C) subscriptions and then took turns drawing
(D) subscriptions and then took turns, they drew
(E) subscriptions and then drew, taking turns


Anyone please to paraphrase whole the sentence? Is not the meaning cause and effect?
How can we eliminate E?
also, how C wins? I'm confused about the word 'drawing' after the word 'turns'.
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The original building and loan associations were organized as limited life funds, whose members made
monthly payments on their share subscriptions, then taking turns drawing on the funds for home
mortgages.

A. subscriptions, then taking turns drawing
Run on sentence : “then taking turns drawing….” Does NOT have a verb at all ..
Also, if we see from the meaning point of view :
The members did two things …first they made the payments and then they took turns to draw the funds..
So logically, both the action should be described using parallel verbs…

B. subscriptions, and then taking turns drawing
Still same error as in option A

C. subscriptions and then took turns drawing
Correct Answer : Parallelism restored by the use of verb “took”

D. subscriptions and then took turns, they drew
“and then took turns” to do what ? Run on sentence as the sentence is NOT completed ..

E. subscriptions and then drew, taking turns
If we see the last part of the sentence together with the non-underlined part it reads like this ..
“and then drew, taking turns on the funds for home mortgages” !!!
The member did NOT took turns on the funds…they took turns to draw the funds…
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