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Hi please explain why option D is wrong
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Hello arvind910619,


I am not sure of you still have this doubt. Nonetheless, here is my response. :-)

Let me present the sentence with Choice D:

The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, in an ultimate attempt to reduce the number of guests that ends up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service.

Please note that the noun modifier that must logically refer to guests because the guests express dissatisfaction. But it is not correct to use that to refer to people. Hence, usage of that is incorrect in choice D.

Since that must logically refer to plural guests, it must take plural verb. But the verb for that is singular ends up.

Hence, it appears that in Choice D, that has been used to refer to the phrase the number of guests. But this modification is illogical and hence incorrect because the number does not express dissatisfaction. The guests do so.

Hope this helps. :-)
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Are both goal to and goal of correct??



I will be glad to help you out with this one. :-)

The thing to note here is that Choice B uses the phrase goal to reduce and Choice E uses the phrase goal of reducing. Both the phrases are correct and are used oer the context of the sentence. So there is no issue with the usage of either of the phrase.

However, it is the usage of ultimately and ultimate in Choice B and E respectively that matters.

The original sentence says that the tourism commission has conducted surveys with the ultimate goal of reducing the number of guests.

Hence, the goal is ultimate. Ultimate is the adjective used for the noun goal. This is what Choice E also says and hence retains the information provided in the original sentence.

However, Choice B uses the adverb ultimately that does not modify the goal anymore. It modifies the action denoted by to reduce. So this choice says that the goal is to ultimately reduce the number of guests rather than saying that the ultimate goal is to do so.

Hence Choice B wins over Choice E with regards to the usage of ultimate.


Hope this helps. :-)
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The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the ultimate goal of reducing the guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the service in the hotels.


1) Tourism commission (S)...................has conducted (V) : Singular SV
2) "with the ultimate goal" modifies "has conducted".
The TC has conducted surveys with the ultimate goal of reducing.............

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What all can with modifier modify? Does it have to modify the preceding noun?

3) Ultimate is an adjective and modifies goal.
4) Goal is to reduce number of guests and not the guests.
5) who end up (plural) because plural noun -guests.
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GMATNinja, mike, and @e-gmat

In the official answer, its written that direct modifiers like with......should be close to what they modify. But with the ultimate goal is not close to the entity it modifies.
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GMATNinja, mike, and @e-gmat

In the official answer, its written that direct modifiers like with......should be close to what they modify. But with the ultimate goal is not close to the entity it modifies.


The prepositional phrase modifiers are similar to present participle modifiers - they have two usages:

1. Noun modifier (without comma - modifies the noun it touches):

Present participle: I have a friend working in that company. (underlined modifier refers to "friend")

Prepositional phrase: I have a book with brown cover. (underlined modifier refers to "book")

2. Verb modifier (with comma - refers to the verb of the preceding clause):

Present participle: I walked along the river, whistling my favourite song. (underlined modifier refers to "walked")

Prepositional Phrase: The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the ultimate goal of reducing the number of guests who express overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ Service. (underlined modifier refers to the verb "has conducted".)

Unlike noun modifiers, verb modifiers can be placed away from the verb they refer to.
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The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the ultimate goal of reducing the guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the service in the hotels.

A) with the ultimate goal of reducing the guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the service in the hotels
- "reducing the guests" makes no sense...should be "reducing the number of guests". how can you reduce guests?

B) with the goal to ultimately reduce the number of guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service
- "goal to" is UNIDIOMATIC. should be "goal of". also, "ultimately" should be closer to goal"

C) ultimately with the goal to reduce expressions of overall dissatisfaction by the guests with the hotel service
- same as "B". also "ultimately" misplaced, it should be closer to "goal"

D) in an ultimate attempt to reduce the number of guests that ends up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service
- "ultimate attempt" changes the meaning of the sentence. also, "guests that ends up" = all sorts of wrong. "guests WHO express dissatisfaction".

E) with the ultimate goal of reducing the number of guests who express overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service
- correct as is

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The tourism commission has conducted surveys of hotels in the most popular resorts, with the ultimate goal of reducing the guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the service in the hotels.

A) with the ultimate goal of reducing the guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the service in the hotels - Illogical - The goal must be “reducing the number of guests” ; express is better than end up expressing
B) with the goal to ultimately reduce the number of guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service - “goal to ultimately reduce” means that the objective is to eventually reduce the number of guests. The first meaning "ultimate goal of reducing" seems more logical ; express is better than end up expressing
C) ultimately with the goal to reduce expressions of overall dissatisfaction by the guests with the hotel service - it is not clear what ultimately modifies
D) in an ultimate attempt to reduce the number of guests that ends up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service - singular verb “ends” does not agree with the plural subject “guests” ; express is better than end up expressing
E) with the ultimate goal of reducing the number of guests who express overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service - Correct

Answer E
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Hi Sayantank,
I am in my final stages of preparation and this question has really demotivated me.

As per Magoosh, preposition noun participle ( with the ultimate goal of reducing) is an awkward construction. GMAT does not like so much action together. So I eliminated a and e.
Also, as per the idiom list in Manhattan SC : " the goal is to expand the company" - we prefer to + base form.

Using both the concepts I eliminated e and chose b.

I am not sure if there is an option to tag Magoosh so that they can clarify. Cz they have used this concept many times to eliminate answers.

It would be really helpful if you could provide your comments in resolving my query.



Hi Bingo123,

I would be glad to help you resolve your doubt. :-)

At e-GMAT, we apply meaning-based approach to solve any and every SC problem.

The original sentence says that the tourism commission's ultimate goal is to reduce the guests who complain about the services.

So, the goal is ultimate as expressed by Choice A, D, and E. Use of ultimately in Choices B and C distorts the meaning of the original sentence because these choices state that the commission's goal is to ultimately reduce. Hence, Choices B and C can be eliminated.

Also, from the context of the sentence, it is clear that the commission wants to reduce the number of those guests who complain. Hence, the appropriate expression is to reduce the number of guests as we see in Choice E. So Choice A can be eliminated.

In Choice D, the subject that that stands for plural noun guests does not agree in number with singular verb ends up. Hence, this choice is also eliminated.

Choice E indeed is the correct answer choice that conveys the intended meaning of the sentence.

It certainly is difficult to remember a bunch of complicated rules. However, applying meaning-based approach is the easy and logical way to solve SC problems.


Hope this helps. :-)
Thanks.
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Hi egmat

One Doubt - In the above highlighted part, you said that 'that' is acting as a pronoun (stands for the plural noun) but what I have known that can ever stand for a plural nouns, while acting as a pronoun. To refer to plural nouns we use 'those' .

So here , as per me, 'that' acts as a modifier , but If I am not mistaken ''that'' cant modifies humans (we use whom/who/whose for that purpose). Hence on grounds of the absence of ''who'' etc . the elimination makes more sense.

What do you suggest?
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Here is my reasoning:


A) with the ultimate goal of reducing the guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the service in the hotels -> The number of guests can be reduced. The guests themselves cannot be reduced. On a funny note, you cannot really reduce their height or something :D So, eliminate.

B) with the goal to ultimately reduce the number of guests who end up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service -> Incorrect modifier 'ultimately'. This modifier should modify 'goal' and not 'reduce'. So, eliminate.

C) ultimately with the goal to reduce expressions of overall dissatisfaction by the guests with the hotel service -> 'goal to reduce expressions' totally distorts the meaning. So, eliminate.

D) in an ultimate attempt to reduce the number of guests that ends up expressing overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service -> 'that' cannot be used to refer to people (i.e. guests). So, eliminate.

E) with the ultimate goal of reducing the number of guests who express overall dissatisfaction with the hotels’ service -> By POE, this is the right answer. Though I am not very convinced about the usage of 'with' here. Going by the rule, 'with' should modify resorts here. Resorts don't have any ultimate goal.


for option B, Why can ultimately not be used before reduce? (comparing B and E)
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for option B, Why can ultimately not be used before reduce? (comparing B and E)

Hi siddreal, this is because in the original sentence, ultimate modifies goal (implying that the end-goal of surveys is to reduce dissatisfied guests).

B slightly changes the meaning, since ultimately modifies reduce in B (and not goal, as is the intent of the original sentence).
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Hi egmat
I know that the number of guests should be singular not plural as it begins with (the number not a number) so ends up must be ok ??
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