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Well, I just googled "exam was difficult after the exam pattern change 11 july gmatclub". I landed up on this post. I just appeared for the exam few hours ago and scored 640. I feel devastated. It was my repeat attempt after my first attempt of 650(v30). This time I prepared rigorously and was confident for a 700+ score. My mock (unattempted GMATPrep 5 and 6) scores were 690 and 730. Veritas and Manhattan consistently giving me 36-38. I am pretty much sure something is wrong with the new algorithm.

As few others have mentioned above that they were confident that they were doing well and scores depicted something else, the same happened with me today. The only reason I can figure out now is : The software was throwing easy questions from1-20 then after that 20-41 were medium to hard level. If you do easy questions wrong your score takes a great dip. But again, V28 ?, I still can not gulp it.

I am still not able to figure out what went wrong.

I would like to know from the experts about this situation. May be their experience can help the prospective students. Further, I think GMAT refreshes the question pack in 15 day cycle, so it seems this 15 day cycle- 11 July - 26 July - has got some tricky questions. These are all my speculations. But believe me, SOMETHING IS WRONG.

The guy who was sitting next to me also concurred, his previous attempt was 700, today he scored 660, again huge drop in verbal when I asked him what went wrong, he replied "I thought I did very well"

Anyways I won't be able to sleep tonight!!

Good luck to all those reading this post and have their exam in the coming days. Please post your reviews as I 'd like to know whether it just those who are getting low scores posting on this post or is this a real issue.

Regards,


Its of course a speculation, but I sensed it was coming. With option to select the section order, the balance shifted towards the test takers, and GMAC had to counter balance the test to ensure there aren't a slew of 700s; That will defeat the purpose of the exam. They must have changed something. For any analysis of this magnitude, we need more experiences shared to understand what's happening here? There is something out of the ordinary happening here and there is no denying it. Whether its just the new order of the exam that's playing with the psychology of test takers, or something in the exam has changed!

Again, all of this is just speculation until we have more data to analyse. :roll: :(
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I took the exam yesterday and scored 720 (Q46, V44) -- for me, the exam wasn't much different from the first time I took it (600, horribly under-prepared but that's another story). The questions were what I was expecting. Made a few silly mistakes in Quant (maybe because I needed to warm up? or maybe I just love silly mistakes?) but for the most part the exam was similar to GMATPrep.

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GMATPrep 1: May 29th - 660
GMATPrep 2: July 4th - 710
GMATPrep 3: July 9th - 700
GMATPrep 4: July 10th - 660 (Rushed through quant, made too many mistakes. Was a friendly reminder to slow down!)

I liked the option of going Q, V, IR then AWA. I will say that by the time AWA rolled around, I was at pure exhaustion.
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Well, I just googled "exam was difficult after the exam pattern change 11 july gmatclub". I landed up on this post. I just appeared for the exam few hours ago and scored 640. I feel devastated. It was my repeat attempt after my first attempt of 650(v30). This time I prepared rigorously and was confident for a 700+ score. My mock (unattempted GMATPrep 5 and 6) scores were 690 and 730. Veritas and Manhattan consistently giving me 36-38. I am pretty much sure something is wrong with the new algorithm.

As few others have mentioned above that they were confident that they were doing well and scores depicted something else, the same happened with me today. The only reason I can figure out now is : The software was throwing easy questions from1-20 then after that 20-41 were medium to hard level. If you do easy questions wrong your score takes a great dip. But again, V28 ?, I still can not gulp it.

I am still not able to figure out what went wrong.

I would like to know from the experts about this situation. May be their experience can help the prospective students. Further, I think GMAT refreshes the question pack in 15 day cycle, so it seems this 15 day cycle- 11 July - 26 July - has got some tricky questions. These are all my speculations. But believe me, SOMETHING IS WRONG.

The guy who was sitting next to me also concurred, his previous attempt was 700, today he scored 660, again huge drop in verbal when I asked him what went wrong, he replied "I thought I did very well"

Anyways I won't be able to sleep tonight!!

Good luck to all those reading this post and have their exam in the coming days. Please post your reviews as I 'd like to know whether it just those who are getting low scores posting on this post or is this a real issue.

Regards,
A drop in scores can happen (and used to happen earlier as well), but the algorithm has definitely not changed. That is, the GMAT is not using different algorithms for the different section orders. Whether something is systematically wrong with the exam is (extremely) doubtful though. You'd need a better sample to take that call, as it is very likely that people who are getting positive outcomes are just not posting in this thread.
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Could anyone else share the experience of taking GMAT on or after July 11?

Originally posted by kimrani on 16 Jul 2017, 09:24.
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Well, I just googled "exam was difficult after the exam pattern change 11 july gmatclub". I landed up on this post. I just appeared for the exam few hours ago and scored 640. I feel devastated. It was my repeat attempt after my first attempt of 650(v30). This time I prepared rigorously and was confident for a 700+ score. My mock (unattempted GMATPrep 5 and 6) scores were 690 and 730. Veritas and Manhattan consistently giving me 36-38. I am pretty much sure something is wrong with the new algorithm.

As few others have mentioned above that they were confident that they were doing well and scores depicted something else, the same happened with me today. The only reason I can figure out now is : The software was throwing easy questions from1-20 then after that 20-41 were medium to hard level. If you do easy questions wrong your score takes a great dip. But again, V28 ?, I still can not gulp it.

I am still not able to figure out what went wrong.

I would like to know from the experts about this situation. May be their experience can help the prospective students. Further, I think GMAT refreshes the question pack in 15 day cycle, so it seems this 15 day cycle- 11 July - 26 July - has got some tricky questions. These are all my speculations. But believe me, SOMETHING IS WRONG.

The guy who was sitting next to me also concurred, his previous attempt was 700, today he scored 660, again huge drop in verbal when I asked him what went wrong, he replied "I thought I did very well"

Anyways I won't be able to sleep tonight!!

Good luck to all those reading this post and have their exam in the coming days. Please post your reviews as I 'd like to know whether it just those who are getting low scores posting on this post or is this a real issue.

Regards,
A drop in scores can happen (and used to happen earlier as well), but the algorithm has definitely not changed. That is, the GMAT is not using different algorithms for the different section orders. Whether something is systematically wrong with the exam is (extremely) doubtful though. You'd need a better sample to take that call, as it is very likely that people who are getting positive outcomes are just not posting in this thread.


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If it matters, I have taken two GMATPrep CATs in the last 10 days:

Exam 5 (EP2): 730 - Q48, V44. This was before the GMATPrep Software Update.
Exam 3 (EP1): 730 - Q49, V40. This was before the GMATPrep Software Update. I thought the quant questions were easier in nature and the verbal was tougher which is reflected in the score break-up change between the two tests. However, these exams rely on the Question packs so I doubt that has a bearing, but I don't think the algorithm was different post the update.

Any of you guys have your ESRs yet?
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Can any gurus enlighten me?
Will the performance of a candidate in one section of GMAT have any bearing on the next section?
I mean, will my Quant performance affect my verbal score? if I attempt QV-IR-AWA?
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Can any gurus enlighten me?
Will the performance of a candidate in one section of GMAT have any bearing on the next section?
I mean, will my Quant performance affect my verbal score? if I attempt QV-IR-AWA?


Hi fitzpratik ,

Unlike GRE, GMAT Quant and Verbal sections are independent of each other. There is no link between the two.

So, your performance on each section is independent of the other.
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Ok folks, I have got the ESR today, but I have no experience to understand it. I would request the experts to comment on this and help me understand it better.

verbal ESR:

Number of questions correct in the first set of questions: 50%
Number of questions correct in the second set of questions: 86%
Number of questions correct in the third set of questions:86%
Number of questions correct in the fourth set of questions:88%

RC %ile: 27
CR %ile: 49
SC %ile: 91

Difficulty level was at medium for 1st set then it dropped to below medium and then gained in third and again in fourth but just till back to medium level.


It seems to me game was over for me in the first 15 minute only, Silly me sitting for 4 hours after that.

MY only question is: is this usual, or can anyone see anything unusual here ??

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Ok folks, I have got the ESR today, but I have no experience to understand it. I would request the experts to comment on this and help me understand it better.

verbal ESR:

Number of questions correct in the first set of questions: 50%
Number of questions correct in the second set of questions: 86%
Number of questions correct in the third set of questions:86%
Number of questions correct in the fourth set of questions:88%

RC %ile: 27
CR %ile: 49
SC %ile: 91

Difficulty level was at medium for 1st set then it dropped to below medium and then gained in third and again in fourth but just till back to medium level.


It seems to me game was over for me in the first 15 minute only, Silly me sitting for 4 hours after that.

MY only question is: is this usual, or can anyone see anything unusual here ??

Thanks in advance !

Yeah, you basically missed a bunch of easy-to-medium RC and CR questions right at the beginning of the section, and then it was too late to really recover from those errors. And that's the nature of the beast on an adaptive test: if you're shooting for an elite score and you miss easy (whatever "easy" might mean for you personally) questions early in the section, it's really, really hard to recover.

My hunch is that you were a little bit nervous -- or at least not completely focused yet -- at the beginning of the test, and you started misreading stuff that you don't normally misread. Maybe that would have happened to you regardless of the section order, but the good thing about the old section order is that it gives you a chance to "warm up" and get comfortable in the testing room before the questions really matter.

I'm sorry that you had such a terrible test-day experience! But the silver lining is that you clearly know what you're doing on SC, and you're almost certainly capable of much better on RC and CR, too...
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I gave my gmat today for the 3rd time and scored a 730 (Q49, V40). Last 2 times my score was 660 (Q48, V34) and 650 (Q49, V29). My section order was (verbal, Quant, IR, AWA) this time around. I did not feel that verbal was more difficult than GMAT prep. I read this thread before going into the exam and I was expecting difficult questions to come up in verbal. I was honestly scared and not looking forward to the exam but the entire section was of same difficulty as the gmat prep software. 2 days before the test I gave 2 gmat prep mock tests and got 740 (Q49, V40) and 710 (Q49, V38). After reading this thread I bet alot of people will get nervous as I did but in my opinion GMAT difficulty is same as it was before selection orders. :-D

Originally posted by pentek123456 on 17 Jul 2017, 10:51.
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GMATblock wrote:
Ok folks, I have got the ESR today, but I have no experience to understand it. I would request the experts to comment on this and help me understand it better.

verbal ESR:

Number of questions correct in the first set of questions: 50%
Number of questions correct in the second set of questions: 86%
Number of questions correct in the third set of questions:86%
Number of questions correct in the fourth set of questions:88%

RC %ile: 27
CR %ile: 49
SC %ile: 91

Difficulty level was at medium for 1st set then it dropped to below medium and then gained in third and again in fourth but just till back to medium level.


It seems to me game was over for me in the first 15 minute only, Silly me sitting for 4 hours after that.

MY only question is: is this usual, or can anyone see anything unusual here ??

Thanks in advance !

Yeah, you basically missed a bunch of easy-to-medium RC and CR questions right at the beginning of the section, and then it was too late to really recover from those errors. And that's the nature of the beast on an adaptive test: if you're shooting for an elite score and you miss easy (whatever "easy" might mean for you personally) questions early in the section, it's really, really hard to recover.

My hunch is that you were a little bit nervous -- or at least not completely focused yet -- at the beginning of the test, and you started misreading stuff that you don't normally misread. Maybe that would have happened to you regardless of the section order, but the good thing about the old section order is that it gives you a chance to "warm up" and get comfortable in the testing room before the questions really matter.

I'm sorry that you had such a terrible test-day experience! But the silver lining is that you clearly know what you're doing on SC, and you're almost certainly capable of much better on RC and CR, too...



Thank you señor for your quick response on this. I'd like to ask, what would be the best strategy from here on to recover from this score (keeping in mind the ESR above). Also, what would be the ideal number of days I should hold on for my next attempt?
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Hi guys,

I gave my gmat today for the 3rd time and scored a 730 (Q49, V40). Last 2 time my score was 660 (Q48, V34) and 650 (Q49, V29). My section order was (verbal, Quant, IR, AWA) this time around. I did not feel that verbal was more difficult than GMAT prep. I read this thread before going into the exam and I was expecting difficult questions to come up in verbal and I was honestly scared and not looking forward to the exam but the entire section was of same difficulty as the gmat prep software. 2 days before the test I gave 2 gmat prep mock tests and got 740 (Q49, V40) and 710 (Q49, V38). After reading this thread I bet alot of people will get nervous as I did but I can assure that in my opinion GMAT didn't become difficult. :-D


Thanks. This will help a lot of guys out here!
I guess many test takers who posted that verbal got harder needed some kind of warm up before the actual test, and a cushion of AWA and IR actually helped them.
Lets wait for few more guys to post experience similar to yours.

And its a nice score! Congratulations! :)
3 attempts to 730! Waiting for your debrief :-D
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Disagreed that the test became more difficult post July 11. I think most people here are forgetting that the GMATPrep Tests have a limited quantity of 700+ level questions — if you're consistently doing well on the practice verbal questions then the difficulty of questions seems to plateau and drop back down to the 600s. That's been my experience in any case.

On the other hand, there's no scarcity of difficult questions on the actual exam. You'll never run out of 700+ level questions and thus the entire section seems more mentally-taxing than the practice exams. For this same reason, I've read supporting examples by others that GMATPrep scores tend to be slightly inflated by 10 to 30 points if you're in the top 95%ile range.

I opted for Q-V-IR-AWA order and the test seemed very similar to all the practice exams. I didn't necessarily feel drained by the time I got to IR/AWA, but rather I felt anxious to rush through those sections to get my final score. Ended up with an IR 8 & AWA 5.5 for reference.
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I took the exam for the first time this weekend with section order selection and went quant to verbal to IR/AWA. Scored 770 (50/44/8) so it's definitely not the case that they weren't giving hard enough questions to achieve a high score, although I cannot compare it to past official tests.

I used almost exclusively Manhattan gmat stuff to prep, which was significantly harder on quant than the real test. Just studied hard every day for a month and honestly felt more than ready at that point. My highest practice test quant score on Mgmat was 47 but I was getting almost every official guide question right that I tried. The section guides were also very helpful for truly understanding the concepts. I think getting used to the timing of harder questions that mgmat throws at you consistently and ultimately understanding how to get many of them right paid off big time. I would not have been nearly this prepared if I focused more on OG problems.

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Wow! Impressive job! 770 and 750! Would love if airo and eziamm can post a detailed debrief in the Share GMAT Experience forum as reports post July 11th are scant. Here is a template for how to organize a debrief and what to include: https://gmatclub.com/forum/gmat-experie ... 99220.html
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I took the exam for the first time this weekend with section order selection and went quant to verbal to IR/AWA. Scored 770 (50/44/8) so it's definitely not the case that they weren't giving hard enough questions to achieve a high score, although I cannot compare it to past official tests.

I used almost exclusively Manhattan gmat stuff to prep, which was significantly harder on quant than the real test. Just studied hard every day for a month and honestly felt more than ready at that point. My highest practice test quant score on Mgmat was 47 but I was getting almost every official guide question right that I tried. The section guides were also very helpful for truly understanding the concepts. I think getting used to the timing of harder questions that mgmat throws at you consistently and ultimately understanding how to get many of them right paid off big time. I would not have been nearly this prepared if I focused more on OG problems.

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Congratulations! 770 is a really awesome score :)
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I took the exam for the first time this weekend with section order selection and went quant to verbal to IR/AWA. Scored 770 (50/44/8) so it's definitely not the case that they weren't giving hard enough questions to achieve a high score, although I cannot compare it to past official tests.

I used almost exclusively Manhattan gmat stuff to prep, which was significantly harder on quant than the real test. Just studied hard every day for a month and honestly felt more than ready at that point. My highest practice test quant score on Mgmat was 47 but I was getting almost every official guide question right that I tried. The section guides were also very helpful for truly understanding the concepts. I think getting used to the timing of harder questions that mgmat throws at you consistently and ultimately understanding how to get many of them right paid off big time. I would not have been nearly this prepared if I focused more on OG problems.

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Congratulations! 770 is a really awesome score :)
How did you decide on the section order?


For me, quant required the greatest amount of focus so I wanted to do it first. I took my first couple of Manhattan CATs with Verbal first and then switched and liked it more with Quant first. Doubt it made a hugely significant difference at the end of the day though, really just personal preference.

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Hi Everyone,

I took the gmat today and scored a 670 (Q47 V35). The order was V Q IR AWA. I have taken the exam earlier and the level of questions seemed no different. Although my score is a slight departure from my GmatPrep mocks from exam pack 1 (700 and 690), I'm almost sure of the sections or subsections I didn't do as well on.

I'll be ordering the ESR. To reiterate, the exam has NOT changed!

If anyone has any questions about how and where the order selection pops up, etc., I'd be happy to answer.

Edit (after receiving ESR): The ESR confirms what I was suspecting.

- Math breakup shows that I did better on DS than on PS. Usually this is the opposite for me, but overall my score was the same as my last GMATPrep mock.
- In verbal, my ESR breakup (CR:31, SC:34, RC:51) is almost exactly similar to my GMATPrep mock (CR:40, SC:33, RC:51), the exception being CR which caused the drop from my usual V38 to V35.


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Hello good people of GMATClub.

I took my GMAT for the third time today and selected the V>Q>IR>AWA order. I did not find the questions were easier or tougher than the GMATPrep questions / exam packs. I scored a 760 with 50/41/8 but I couldn't answer the last verbal question because I ran out of time. My previous two attempts were 700 with 46/40 in Nov'14 and 700 with 48/40 in Jul'16.
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Re: BIG GMAT CHANGES: Select Section Order on the GMAT starting July 11 &nbs [#permalink] 26 Jul 2017, 02:49

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