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Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again.

(A) often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again
(B) whose reputation declines after death and never regains its status again
(C) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status
(D) who declines in reputation after death and who never regained popularity again
(E) then has declined in reputation after death and never regained popularity

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This is OG 13 Q137
You have also explained it Here.

I didn't find any difficulty in arriving at the correct answer. I did that in 40 seconds.

I have few other questions -

1. Isn't that "who" Follows the Touch rule and If I am correct then this could be one another reason to fire Option.
2. Whose - I always has one confusion with the usage of whose- Whose can refer to Human Beings or also the inanimate Objects.
3. In your video you said sir that "then" is also a conjunction. I was never aware of that, can you please elaborate this more.

Thank you so much Sir.
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I'm happy to respond. :-)

1) I found your first question hard to interpret. If I understand correctly, you are asking about the word "who" at the beginning of option (D). My friend, there are many exceptions to the Modifier Touch Rule. One of the exceptions involves a string of modifiers in parallel: if two or more clauses modify the same noun, then obviously they can't all touch that noun. It's perfectly acceptable as long as the first touches the noun and the subsequent ones are parallel to the first. We might say metaphorically that these subsequent modifiers touch the target noun "through the parallelism."
George Washington, who faced enormous odds at the beginning of the American Revolution and who lead his ragged army to victory, was easily elected the first President of the US.
That second "who" can't touch the target noun, "George Washington," because the first modifier is in the way! This is not a problem: the very fact that the two modifying clauses are in parallel guarantees that the second clause would touch the target noun if the first clause were not in the way.
I am not certain what you were asking in your first question, so I am not sure whether this answers the question.

2) Yes, "whose" is one of those tricky words for that reason. Here's the subjective use of the pronouns:
The man who wrote the book . . .
The book that sparked a discussion about . . .
In the subjective use, we use two different pronouns, "who" for people and "that" or "which" for objects. Then, maddeningly, in the possessive, we use exactly the same pronoun:
The man whose book sparked a discussion . . .
The book whose main theme is . . .
Yes, this is confusing, but I believe you understand it. Have courage, my friend. English is a confusing language, sometimes even to us native speakers!

3) If I said that "then" is a conjunction, I misspoke. That is not correct. The word "then" is an adverb, and this adverb is often used to introduce clauses, the way a conjunction might do, but "then" itself is not a conjunction. IT is simply an adverb.

Does all this make sense?
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Yes sir, This all make sense. Thanks a Lot.

I find one more problem from GMAT Prep software -

Narwhals can be called whales of the ice: in icy channels, ponds, and ice-shielded bays they seek sanctuary from killer whales, their chief predator, and their annual migrations following the seasonal rhythm of advancing and retreating ice.

(A) their annual migrations following
(B) their annual migrations which follow
(C) their annual migrations follow
(D) whose annual migrations following
(E) whose annual migrations follow

Official Explanation says "whose" is ambiguous. I have some hard time understanding this. Can You please help me sir why is "whose" ambiguous here.
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Yes sir, This all make sense. Thanks a Lot.

I find one more problem from GMAT Prep software -

Narwhals can be called whales of the ice: in icy channels, ponds, and ice-shielded bays they seek sanctuary from killer whales, their chief predator, and their annual migrations following the seasonal rhythm of advancing and retreating ice.

(A) their annual migrations following
(B) their annual migrations which follow
(C) their annual migrations follow
(D) whose annual migrations following
(E) whose annual migrations follow

Official Explanation says "whose" is ambiguous. I have some hard time understanding this. Can You please help me sir why is "whose" ambiguous here.
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Dear crunchboss,
I'm happy to respond. :-) This is a subtle one.

By the time the sentence gets to the part about "annual migrations," we have past two notable nouns: narwhals and killer whales. Any structure that leaves ambiguity about which of these two animals is migrating is problematic.

The prompt and the OA, (C), use the pronoun "their." Notice that the same pronoun, "they" and "their" has been used already to refer to the narwhal, so saying "their annual migrations" clearly refers to the narwhals as well. The unity of the pronoun use creates the logical connection. No ambiguity.

By contrast, the structure "whose annual migrations" ----well, whose? Narwhals or killer whales? Both nouns precede the word "whose," so either could reasonably be the antecedent. This construction opens up an ambiguity of interpretation that exists neither in the prompt nor in the OA.

Does this make sense?
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Illustration: Carefully examine the following sentence
My sister, who is a teenager, and whose street play was appreciated by all, won the local talent award yesterday.
This is a perfectly correct sentence as “who is a teenager” and “whose street play was appreciated by all” both modifier the subject “My sister”.

Now lets look at the options.
A is wrong because the composer does not go into decline after his or her death, but his or her reputation does.
B is incorrect because it uses redundant construction “regains its status again”.
D and E are wrong for the same reason we eliminated A i.e the composer himself does not go into decline after death.
C is correct (option C breaks the FANBOYS rule, which a lot of prep companies advocate to eliminate answer choices. Please see below for clarification.).

Tip:
A lot of prep companies adopt the rule of FANBOYS which says
Independent clause, independent clause is a run on sentence.
o to make it correct we use the construction:
Independent clause, FANBOYS independent clause; FANBOYS stands for “For, And, Not, But, Or, Yet, So”.
However, the converse is not necessarily true. Two clauses separated by comma and FANBOYS do not necessarily mean they need to be independent clauses.
E.g My brother loves to drive so fast that his co passengers often fear being headlined in the newspapers the following day, and hates to wear seat-belts.
The sentence without the punctuation would become haywire.
Also, the punctuation rules are not tested on the GMAT.
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Great post! MANHATTAN GMAT has a great article on FANBOYS here https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/blog/2016/01/15/gmat-grammar-weekly-fanboys/
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Please let me know why there is "receives" in non-underlined portion. Also, what does "its" refer to in OA?
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Please let me know why there is "receives" in non-underlined portion. Also, what does "its" refer to in OA?
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Why do you think "receives" should be in underlined part, and what do you think "its" refers to here?
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Please let me know why there is "receives" in non-underlined portion. Also, what does "its" refer to in OA?

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hi,
i am not saying receives should be underlined, i just wanted to know the subject of it.
i have highlighted the "its"


Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again.


(A) often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again

(B) whose reputation declines after death and never regains its status again

(C) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status

(D) who declines in reputation after death and who never regained popularity again

(E) then has declined in reputation after death and never regained popularity
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hi,

Please let me know why there is "receives" in non-underlined portion. Also, what does "its" refer to in OA?

Why do you think "receives" should be in underlined part, and what do you "its" refers to here?

hi,
i am not saying receives should be underlined, i just wanted to know the subject of it.
i have highlighted the "its"


Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again.


(A) often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again

(B) whose reputation declines after death and never regains its status again

(C) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status

(D) who declines in reputation after death and who never regained popularity again

(E) then has declined in reputation after death and never regained popularity
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Hello my Friend,

Then my question becomes what does come to your mind as the subject for the verb "receives"?
And if you have any doubt regarding the noun referred by the pronoun "its", again what do you think "its" refers?

I do not think anyone, let alone will be able to answer your questions if you do not provide this information.

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Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again.


(A) often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again
Redundancy – regains and again
JR and GM….often goes into decline after death – Incorrect meaning

(B) whose reputation declines after death and never regains its status again
Redundancy – regains and again
Its is referring to reputation

(C) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status
Best of All.
Its is referring to reputation

(D) who declines in reputation after death and who never regained popularity again
Redundancy – regains and again
JR and GM….who declines in reputation – Incorrect meaning.

(E) then has declined in reputation after death and never regained popularity
Sounds like JR /GM HAS declined in reputation. Incorrect meaning.
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So ,

IC , Conjunction + Subordinate clause parralel to a Subordinate clause is OK ????

The conjunction doesnt even have its own subject and full bonafide verb

IC , Conjuction IC is widely believed to be the correct structure.

Request you to have a go at this query.

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Illustration: Carefully examine the following sentence
My sister, who is a teenager, and whose street play was appreciated by all, won the local talent award yesterday.
This is a perfectly correct sentence as “who is a teenager” and “whose street play was appreciated by all” both modifier the subject “My sister”.

Now lets look at the options.
A is wrong because the composer does not go into decline after his or her death, but his or her reputation does.
B is incorrect because it uses redundant construction “regains its status again”.
D and E are wrong for the same reason we eliminated A i.e the composer himself does not go into decline after death.
C is correct (option C breaks the FANBOYS rule, which a lot of prep companies advocate to eliminate answer choices. Please see below for clarification.).
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Thanks for the co-operation in the forum.
Could you have a look to the highlighted part, please?
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My sister, who is a teenager, and whose street play was appreciated by all, won the local talent award yesterday.
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If you remove the modifier part, the core will be:
My sister, who is a teenager, and whose street play was appreciated by all, won the local talent award yesterday.
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My sister and whose street play was appreciated by all, won the local talent award yesterday.
It seems that this one is not the full sentence at all! Could you clarify your thought if I miss anything, please?
Thanks in advance..
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However, there is something else happening in Choice B. Notice that the subject “reputation” has two verbs “declines” and “regains”. These two verbs are correctly joined by “and”. This construction makes entire choice be the second entity in the parallel list, the first being “who often receives…”. Now since there are just two entities in the list per choice B, there should be a marker between the two entities, i. e. before “whose”. But there is no marker. This is another error.

I'm not really clear about the boldened part. What do you mean by ' this construction makes entire choice be the second entity in the parallel list'-- and what exactly are the two errors? Can you also pls mention how the correct sentence would look like as per the explanation?


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You ask very valid questions. Let me give answer to both your questions here.

Choice B: whose reputation declines after death and never regains its status again.

There is no problem with the reference of “whose” here. Just like “who”, “whose” also refers to “the kind of composer”. Look at this simple sentence:

The man with white hat is my uncle who has three yachts, and whose brewery is famous nationwide.

In the very same, in the official choice B, “whose” clearly refers to “the kind of composer” without any ambiguity. Now “who” is a relative pronoun that may be preceded by a comma or may not be preceded by one. Presence of comma does not affect its modification or of any other parallel entity in the list.

However, there is something else happening in Choice B. Notice that the subject “reputation” has two verbs “declines” and “regains”. These two verbs are correctly joined by “and”. This construction makes entire choice be the second entity in the parallel list, the first being “who often receives…”. Now since there are just two entities in the list per choice B, there should be a marker between the two entities, i. e. before “whose”. But there is no marker. This is another error.

Now let’s take a look at the use “former” in choice C: but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status

Use of former suggests that after death, certain kind of composer does not enjoy that level of popularity that he/she enjoyed while alive. It’s not that he/she loses all the popularity. He/ she retains some popularity but not that popularity that he/she enjoyed when he/she was alive.

Hope this helps. :)
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(A) often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again

(B) whose reputation declines after death and never regains its status again X

(C) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status CORRECT

The way the sentence is written, a contrast demarcated by ‘but’ is required. ‘…examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, BUT whose…

(D) who declines in reputation after death and who never regained popularity again X

(E) then has declined in reputation after death and never regained popularity X
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In C) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status. Why aren't we repeating the relative pronoun? I thought it should be: but whose reputation declines after death and whose reputation never regains its former status. Some experts please clear my concept of repeating relative pronoun.

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In C) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status. Why aren't we repeating the relative pronoun? I thought it should be: but whose reputation declines after death and whose reputation never regains its former status. Some experts please clear my concept of repeating relative pronoun.

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Hello AbhishekDhanraJ72,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, there is no need to repeat the phrase "whose reputation"; here, "declines" and "regains" are two verbs linked by "and" that both act upon the noun "reputation", so repeating "whose reputation" would just be redundant.

We hope this helps.

All the best!

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Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again.


(A) often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again

(B) whose reputation declines after death and never regains its status again

(C) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status

(D) who declines in reputation after death and who never regained popularity again

(E) then has declined in reputation after death and never regained popularity

'Never' & 'Again' shouldn't be used for the same intended meaning as it soulds redundant. Hence A, B, D are out. Now use of But in B serves the intended purpose of showing contrast in the sentence. in E 'then' sounds ambigous in that it is not known to where it is referrring. Hence C is the best option.
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Hi ExpertsGlobal5

Could one think that the phrase "often goes into decline after death" in option A modify 'popular acclaim'?
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