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# November is traditionally the strongest month for sales

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November is traditionally the strongest month for sales of light trucks, but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers, accounted for a remarkably large share of total vehicle sales.

A but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers,
B but even when it is compared with previous Novembers, this past November’s sales
C but even when they are compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November
D so that compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November
E so that this past November’s sales, even compared with previous Novembers’ sales,

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"sales" should be compared with "sales".

Only A and E do that.

In E we dont have contrast. We need it to highlight that the sales are better this time.

Only A does it.

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09 Aug 2015, 13:31
@e-gmat e-gmat tells that when compared/as compared - is incorrect. hm?
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09 Aug 2015, 19:26
Hi mvictor,

I am not sure what your question is but I presume its got something to do with "comparison to" and "comparison with".

IMO I keep it like this. You use "compare to" to compare two different things which usually cant be gauged by the same measure and use "compare with" when both quantities can be gauged by a common measure.

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Hi dominicraj,

My question is whether "when compared"/"as compared" is correct. E-Gmat tells never to use this structure. However, in this example, we have the correct answer using when compared with..
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09 Aug 2015, 20:24
Hi mvictor,

I am not sure about "when compared" usage with respect to e-gmat. I have not come across it.. can you share some link, but I think the correct words to look at is "compared with" instead.

I think "when" is rightly used to denote the time " time around November"

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29 Sep 2015, 04:37
+1 another victim of e-gmat rule

I explicitly remember (even in my notes) that we cannot use "when compared with"

We need an explanation from an e-gmat expert.
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November is traditionally the strongest month for sales of light trucks, but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers, accounted for a remarkably large share of total vehicle sales.

A but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers,
B but even when it is compared with previous Novembers, this past November’s sales-Wrong comparison(sales with month)
C but even when they are compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November-Again same mistake
D so that compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November-so that makes no sense
E so that this past November’s sales, even compared with previous Novembers’ sales,--so that makes no sense

Acc to @e-gmat ,"when compared with" is incorrect.
But A is the best option we have.
Anyway,looks like we can't blindly apply that rule here.
Explanation needed @e-gmat.
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another victim of the @e-gmat rule..
we just need to learn the GMAT rules...
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As per e-gmat my notes indicate the following;

You cannot use the following:
When compared to
When contrasted to
As compared with

Here the correct answer uses when compared with (as compared with would be incorrect or when compared/contrasted to)

Hope this helps!

@e-gmat could you advise if answer choice C is incorrect because of the ambiguous pronoun 'they'? May refer to the trucks themselves and the sales . . .
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November is traditionally the strongest month for sales of light trucks, but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers, accounted for a remarkably large share of total vehicle sales.

A but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers,
B but even when it is compared with previous Novembers, this past November’s sales
C but even when they are compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November
D so that compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November
E so that this past November’s sales, even compared with previous Novembers’ sales,

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Meaning wins over all the rules.

The meaning of the sentence is that Sales in November are usually high, but the sales during the recent November overtook all previous Novembers and accounted for remarkable large share of sales.

A but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers,. Meaning looks pretty clear. We have contrast by the word 'but'. Sales is compared with sales.
B but even when it is compared with previous Novembers, this past November’s sales. 'it' is singular and is used wrongly with plural 'sales'
C but even when they are compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November. Replace 'they' with Sales- but even when sales are compared with previous Novembers. Sales are compared with Novembers.
D so that compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November. 'so that' shows result, whereas we want contrast
E so that this past November’s sales, even compared with previous Novembers’ sales,. 'so that' shows result, whereas we want contrast

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29 Jul 2016, 00:48
Regarding @e-gmat:
I've also got to the trap. E-gmat states that "when compared/contrasted to" and also "as contrasted with" is incorrect. Not a single word about "when compared with". However, they state not to used this word with as/with, so one might imply that "when compared with" is incorrect, which is not true, as we see in this example. Be diligent!
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08 Oct 2016, 01:57
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Regarding @e-gmat:
I've also got to the trap. E-gmat states that "when compared/contrasted to" and also "as contrasted with" is incorrect. Not a single word about "when compared with". However, they state not to used this word with as/with, so one might imply that "when compared with" is incorrect, which is not true, as we see in this example. Be diligent!

Hi @e-gmat,
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05 Nov 2016, 00:56
I don't understand why we need to use "but" to contrast 2 ICs here.
First sentence says that "November is traditionally the strongest month for selling truck"
Second sentence says that "Sales of past November accounted for a remarkable large share of total vehicles"
Doesn't it mean "past november's sales is really high just as it used to be"
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I don't understand why we need to use "but" to contrast 2 ICs here.
First sentence says that "November is traditionally the strongest month for selling truck"
Second sentence says that "Sales of past November accounted for a remarkable large share of total vehicles"
Doesn't it mean "past november's sales is really high just as it used to be"

No, "just as it used to be" is not meant. You omitted the part "even when compared with sales in previous Novembers". This part validates the use of "but". An outstanding or exceptional occurrence calls for the usage of a contrasting word such as "but".

Sachin generally plays well, but his last innings was just out of the world.
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31 Dec 2016, 02:40
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pakasaip wrote:
I don't understand why we need to use "but" to contrast 2 ICs here.
First sentence says that "November is traditionally the strongest month for selling truck"
Second sentence says that "Sales of past November accounted for a remarkable large share of total vehicles"
Doesn't it mean "past november's sales is really high just as it used to be"

No, "just as it used to be" is not meant. You omitted the part "even when compared with sales in previous Novembers". This part validates the use of "but". An outstanding or exceptional occurrence calls for the usage of a contrasting word such as "but".

Sachin generally plays well, but his last innings was just out of the world.

I have a very basic doubt. November is traditionally the strongest month for sales of light trucks, but ...

As i understood - November is the SUB, traditionally points to which verb? sales?? but sales is with preposition for

and ,but is used for connecting two independent clause. is the first statement an independent clause?
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31 Dec 2016, 21:56
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sayantanc2k wrote:
pakasaip wrote:
I don't understand why we need to use "but" to contrast 2 ICs here.
First sentence says that "November is traditionally the strongest month for selling truck"
Second sentence says that "Sales of past November accounted for a remarkable large share of total vehicles"
Doesn't it mean "past november's sales is really high just as it used to be"

No, "just as it used to be" is not meant. You omitted the part "even when compared with sales in previous Novembers". This part validates the use of "but". An outstanding or exceptional occurrence calls for the usage of a contrasting word such as "but".

Sachin generally plays well, but his last innings was just out of the world.

I have a very basic doubt. November is traditionally the strongest month for sales of light trucks, but ...

As i understood - November is the SUB, traditionally points to which verb? sales?? but sales is with preposition for

and ,but is used for connecting two independent clause. is the first statement an independent clause?

Yes, your understanding is correct - the following two independent clauses are joined by comma + but:

Independent clause 1: November is traditionally the strongest month for sales of light trucks
subject: November, verb: is

Independent clause 2: sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers, accounted for a remarkably large share of total vehicle sales.
subject: sales, verb: accounted
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31 Dec 2016, 22:07
Only A compares correctly the sales of this november with sales in previous novembers.

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09 Feb 2017, 19:57
A simple doubt here - if we remove the non essential modifier, the sentence doesn't make sense?

November is traditionally the strongest month for sales of light trucks, accounted for a remarkably large share of total vehicle sales..

How can this be the correct OA? Can anyone explain please?
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10 Feb 2017, 20:26
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A simple doubt here - if we remove the non essential modifier, the sentence doesn't make sense?

November is traditionally the strongest month for sales of light trucks, accounted for a remarkably large share of total vehicle sales..

How can this be the correct OA? Can anyone explain please?

Hi let me try

November is traditionally the strongest month for sales of light trucks, but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers, accounted for a remarkably large share of total vehicle sales.

The non-essential part is "even when compared with sales in previous Novembers".
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