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New post 28 Sep 2016, 10:13
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Anyone else find this process nerve-wracking? Feels like a whole second job...


I'll second this and I still have GMAT round 3 (after a disappointing second attempt) to knock out this Saturday before I can click submit for my Round 1 applications.

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I'm looking for some advice as I start preparing for fall 18'. I was an international studies Major with a 2.8 GPA and the most quantitative class I took was Algebra. I know I'm going to need a stellar GMAT score to break into the top 10. Would anyone recommend starting off with a GMAT course, such as Veritas? Or would a better strategy be to develop a baseline befor spending money on a course? If anyone has any advice I'm all ears! Thank you!


I'm not boasting any impressive quant stats with my official test scores, but prior to my second GMAT attempt I was scoring between 43-47 in my official and MGMAT prep exams (all full length) before proceeding to bomb quant on test day. My last math class was college algebra and statistics in high school. The Manhattan Math Foundations and the 5 Manhattan quant strategy guides were what I started with and they break it down extremely well for those of us who have to relearn from scratch after so long. I highly recommend them but for me, an official class was definitely not an option with my unit's optempo. If I had the opportunity to, though, I definitely would have taken a prep class.
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New post 02 Oct 2016, 22:27
Hello all,
Not a US Vet/active duty. But, I'm an officer in the Canadian Air Force currently serving.

Looking to apply to some of the top 20-30 B Schools. I'm concerned about my low GPA (2.3) and low GMAT (580, Q45, V25). I did my undergrad in engineering from the Top university in Canada. Studying for the GMAT had been a challenge because I am often not in town due to various short term deployments and a very high work tempo. However, I did write the GMAT and achieved that score.

I have 5+ years of experience working in the military. Any pointers for leveraging this experience to over come the low GPA/GMAT? Or should I consider another attempt at the GMAT (this will again be challenging as I will not always be home for work reasons, which prevents a regular study routine).
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Hello all,
Not a US Vet/active duty. But, I'm an officer in the Canadian Air Force currently serving.

Looking to apply to some of the top 20-30 B Schools. I'm concerned about my low GPA (2.3) and low GMAT (580, Q45, V25). I did my undergrad in engineering from the Top university in Canada. Studying for the GMAT had been a challenge because I am often not in town due to various short term deployments and a very high work tempo. However, I did write the GMAT and achieved that score.

I have 5+ years of experience working in the military. Any pointers for leveraging this experience to over come the low GPA/GMAT? Or should I consider another attempt at the GMAT (this will again be challenging as I will not always be home for work reasons, which prevents a regular study routine).


I think my question is... why apply now if you're not ready? There is no Top 50 school with a GMAT average that low. I've read dozens of success stories of foreign applicants who barely speak English boosting their verbal scores from the teens to 35+. If you could pull off a Q45 V35, you're looking at around a 660 GMAT, which would definitely put you in the running at your targeted range (and probably some Top 20 schools that are more GMAT friendly). If you boost it to 700+, I have seen cases of military applicants getting into Top 10 schools with your GPA (or huge scholarships to schools in your range).

Is your timeline tied to your contract date? If so, my recommendation would be to do some serious networking to get a decent civilian gig for a year with 40-50 hour weeks to give you more study time. I bet if you heard some of the stories of the dudes on this thread you'd be surprised at how hard we've worked at this. I'm sure the majority of us totally put our lives on hold this year, especially the married applicants. I studied 300 hours for the GMAT while working 80+ hour weeks as one example. It's doable man. My recommendation would be to save your application money and not apply with your current stats. Just look at the ROI numbers sometime - you're better off holding off in order to apply to a better school. Feel free to PM me anytime - all of us want to see you succeed.
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New post 03 Oct 2016, 06:32
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iooioio wrote:
Hello all,
Not a US Vet/active duty. But, I'm an officer in the Canadian Air Force currently serving.

Looking to apply to some of the top 20-30 B Schools. I'm concerned about my low GPA (2.3) and low GMAT (580, Q45, V25). I did my undergrad in engineering from the Top university in Canada. Studying for the GMAT had been a challenge because I am often not in town due to various short term deployments and a very high work tempo. However, I did write the GMAT and achieved that score.

I have 5+ years of experience working in the military. Any pointers for leveraging this experience to over come the low GPA/GMAT? Or should I consider another attempt at the GMAT (this will again be challenging as I will not always be home for work reasons, which prevents a regular study routine).


I think my question is... why apply now if you're not ready? There is no Top 50 school with a GMAT average that low. I've read dozens of success stories of foreign applicants who barely speak English boosting their verbal scores from the teens to 35+. If you could pull off a Q45 V35, you're looking at around a 660 GMAT, which would definitely put you in the running at your targeted range (and probably some Top 20 schools that are more GMAT friendly). If you boost it to 700+, I have seen cases of military applicants getting into Top 10 schools with your GPA (or huge scholarships to schools in your range).

Is your timeline tied to your contract date? If so, my recommendation would be to do some serious networking to get a decent civilian gig for a year with 40-50 hour weeks to give you more study time. I bet if you heard some of the stories of the dudes on this thread you'd be surprised at how hard we've worked at this. I'm sure the majority of us totally put our lives on hold this year, especially the married applicants. I studied 300 hours for the GMAT while working 80+ hour weeks as one example. It's doable man. My recommendation would be to save your application money and not apply with your current stats. Just look at the ROI numbers sometime - you're better off holding off in order to apply to a better school. Feel free to PM me anytime - all of us want to see you succeed.


Hey, thanks for the feedback and enlightening me a bit. I was already on the fence about applying with this GMAT score.

No my timeline is not tied to my contract date, I have already completed my obligatory service and I have extended my contract for another 5 years.

Perhaps it is better that I spend the money to write the GMAT once (maybe twice) more until I get a good score, rather than waste it by applying with a very low chance of getting in.
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Perhaps it is better that I spend the money to write the GMAT once (maybe twice) more until I get a good score, rather than waste it by applying with a very low chance of getting in.


Take it as many times as required. Rule of thumb is you want to be within the 80th percentile range of the GMAT scores at your target schools.
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New post 04 Oct 2016, 12:30
Did anyone get an HBS interview invitation today?

No luck here but all hope is not lost, still two days to go.
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Did anyone get an HBS interview invitation today?

No luck here but all hope is not lost, still two days to go.


No dice here man.
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New post 06 Oct 2016, 09:24
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Dondarrion wrote:
Did anyone get an HBS interview invitation today?

No luck here but all hope is not lost, still two days to go.


No dice here man.



Same, nothing Tuesday/nothing today
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Has anyone received an interview invitation from HBS yet?
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New post 06 Oct 2016, 14:05
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Has anyone received an interview invitation from HBS yet?


One of my clients got an invite today.

EDIT: Just heard from a second one who also did.
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Has anyone received an interview invitation from HBS yet?


I had been checking my applicant page and didn't see it update, but I got the email for today's round of invites.
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New post 20 Oct 2016, 10:22
Thank god, I found this thread. I am applying while deployed and took the GMAT by base hoping here. CBS, McCombs and GWU applications still need work and I just took over a new platoon. All together things are looking well though. Anyone know when will Stern start releasing the invites? I almost lost hope on McDonough.
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New post 20 Oct 2016, 15:14
Welcome to the thread. Check the previous year Stern threads to get a good idea on the invite dates. You can get some pretty good insight by reading the old application threads in the various school forums.

Good to see we have some vets who got HBS invites, hope yall kick ass!
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New post 21 Oct 2016, 17:04
Hi

I have heard that military experience is a plus when applying for business schools.
I was in the army for about 2 years and I was discharged under "general under honorable conditions"
which means i get veteran status and benefits.

Now, my discharge was not "honorable" and is "general under honorable conditions."
and my DD214 states its for "misconduct."

1. How deep does school admissions look? Do they ask for DD214? and ask what the misconduct was about?
2. What do they ask for to prove i was in the army?
3. Is it worth mentioning my military experience?

I want to mention it but I am afraid "misconduct" would actually have a negative effect.

Can someone with experience in the military or in admissions that has factual knowledge answer this question for me?
No "i think"s from anyone without hard evidence or from someone who does not have knowledge in this department.

Thanks alot.
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How deep does school admissions look? Do they ask for DD214? and ask what the misconduct was about?

All schools run a complete background check and this would definitely be flagged.

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What do they ask for to prove i was in the army?

Same as above.

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Is it worth mentioning my military experience?

Yes. You aren't going to be able to "hide" your military experience or your GUHC discharge. Transparency is key here - you do not want to appear as though you are trying to mislead them. You sign the school's honor code or a "statement of integrity" at the end of your application.

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I want to mention it but I am afraid "misconduct" would actually have a negative effect.

The cold hard truth is that it is going to be incredibly difficult to get over this hurdle, especially because it involved "misconduct". What was the misconduct? You can PM me if you don't want to share it on here - I can't really advise you too well without knowing the details.

Broadly speaking, I would tackle it head on. You could talk about your mistakes, what you learned, and what you've done to fix yourself since, and then why you want to transition to b-school.
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New post 23 Oct 2016, 09:44
Concur with Dondarrion. There's nothing you can do to change what's happened in your past so the worst thing you could do at this point would be to obscure the details of your discharge (or be outright deceitful) and hope they don't notice. Anyone on adcom is going to know that the standard enlistment or commissioning contract is 4+ years so they're going to wonder why you didn't complete a full contract...you might as well own up to the mistakes up front and have a good story in regards to what you've learned from them.

Leaving your Army experience out of your application isn't an option either because having a two-year hole in your life would likely be an even bigger red flag than having to explain away a GUHC discharge.
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New post 24 Oct 2016, 00:07
Hey all, just wanted to leave an update. I was fortunate enough to get accepted to Columbia last week! Since I applied early decision, I'm withdrawing my Stern and Wharton apps. For anyone else who applied/is applying to CBS, below is my timeline:

Applied: Sep 7
Interview invite: Oct 3
Interview: Oct 10
Accepted: Oct 12

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New post 24 Oct 2016, 00:15
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Hey all, just wanted to leave an update. I was fortunate enough to get accepted to Columbia last week! Since I applied early decision, I'm withdrawing my Stern and Wharton apps. For anyone else who applied/is applying to CBS, below is my timeline:

Applied: Sep 7
Interview invite: Oct 3
Interview: Oct 10
Accepted: Oct 12

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Great to hear man, congrats! Fantastic school.
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New post 25 Oct 2016, 15:34
Just got my letter back from the VA, approved for 70% GI Bill. I was only 90 days shy of being a full 100% (my 2 years of initial training would've counted).

Hey - it wouldn't be the Marine Corps if I wasn't getting screwed, right?
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New post 26 Oct 2016, 04:39
Looking for advice:

I took the GMAT prior to deploying last month and was rather disappointed with I scored a 580. Luckily where I am deployed there is a testing center that offers the GMAT, but in this environment it is difficult to find time to study.

I had aspirations of applying to Duke, Indiana University and The University of Texas. Thus, going off worst case scenario of not scoring higher on my next GMAT exam what are my chances of getting in to my desired schools.

This is my third deployment as a Military Intelligence Officer.

I graduated from the University of Indianapolis with a GPA of 3.94 double majoring in Economics and International Business.

I was a varsity scholarship athlete in Cross Country and Track and Field and for what it is worth I am an underrepresented minority.

Any help would be much appreciated.
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