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GMAT FORMAT IS CHANGING APRIL 16, 2018 - it will be 30 minutes shorter

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It seems that exam packs and question packs purchased before 1 January 2018 cannot be transferred to the online version and hence will require a fresh purchase. However, the content will remain the same.

Hi sharan05,

Thanks for sharing the news. As a person who bought both of the paid Exam Packs and Question Pack 1 immediately after their release, I'm not sure why I would pay $120 all over again, for access to all the exact same questions that I already have access to on the old desktop software, just because the test is now a bit shorter.

Best of all, with the desktop software I don't even need an internet connection! Oh GMAC... :suspect This policy is also sure to have repercussions in areas of the world that lack reliable internet access.

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The online version doesn't work. I click on start button,but there's no reaction. Is there anyone facing similar problem?
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Thank you all for posting and your screenshots!
I have updated the first post with the grim news we received today :cry:
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The online version doesn't work. I click on start button,but there's no reaction. Is there anyone facing similar problem?

Hi Mehemmed,

You probably have to enable pop-up windows on your browser--that's what worked for me. I can imagine all sorts of technical glitches that will arise with this transition to online-only GMATPrep tests, as has also been the case with ETS's rocky transition to online versions of the GRE PowerPrep tests.

I can also confirm that the uber-helpful, time-saving keyboard shortcuts do NOT work on the cloud-based, online GMATPrep tests.

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It should also be noted that the "Score Report" (after an exam has been completed) on the "new" GMATPREP online platform only shows your overall performance but no longer shows you a more detailed breakdown of your performance in each quant subcategory (PS, DS, Arithmetic, Algebra/Geometry) or in each verbal subcategory (SC, RC, CR)

The "old" desktop platform at least gave you this data so you could have a better understanding on where to focus your efforts :(
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mcelroytutoring do you know if you GMAC will still do the migration for you if you purchased Exam Packs and Question Packs and went through them? For example, if I took 1 practice test out of Exam Pack 1 and have 3 un-used practice exams, will they still migrate over 4 new exam tests? Or do the packs and questions essentially need to be unused?

I ask because I wonder if it is worth practicing with the pre-purchased exams before resetting and essentially getting 4 new exams after that? Do you have any insight here?

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mcelroytutoring do you know if you GMAC will still do the migration for you if you purchased Exam Packs and Question Packs and went through them? For example, if I took 1 practice test out of Exam Pack 1 and have 3 un-used practice exams, will they still migrate over 4 new exam tests? Or do the packs and questions essentially need to be unused?

I ask because I wonder if it is worth practicing with the pre-purchased exams before resetting and essentially getting 4 new exams after that? Do you have any insight here?

thanks!

Hi phoebe23ST, I don't think that the GMAC cares whether your old GMATPrep exams are used or unused, since you can always reset and re-take them again and again. You should be able to migrate whether you've taken them or not, so long as you bought the tests on or after January 16, 2018.

I would, however, make sure to take screenshots of any questions I got wrong the first time through, since your desktop software code will be deactivated when you switch to the online format, and the corresponding data/analytics will be erased.

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Hi there have they increased the weightage of IR section in the new format?
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Any ideas on whether the questions have changed or not?


This has been asked and answered.
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Hi there have they increased the weightage of IR section in the new format?


I am not sure I understand your question but let me try.
The IR is a separate score - it has remained the same in every way and is unchanged.
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Can you put some light on this? My EP1 and EP2 are still valid now on GMATPrep software.

Hi pikolo2510,

Sure...as far as I understand your EP1 and EP2 will continue to work just fine (albeit with the old 75-minute sections) until you "migrate" them to the new online format, should you choose to do so.

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[*] The time per question will be approximately the same. While GMAC says it will remain unchanged, we have calculated it to be 1.62 seconds shorter for quant and 1.42 seconds shorter for verbal:

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earlier 75x60/37 = 121.62
now 61x60/32 = 120 seconds

Hi hazelnut,

The numbers in red above are incorrect. There are 62 minutes and 31 questions on the new Quant section, not 61 and 32.

(61 x 60) / 32 = 114.375

(62 minutes x 60 seconds/minute) / 31 questions = 120 seconds per question (exactly 2 minutes)

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Just as the GMATPrep scoring algorithm is different from the real GMAT scoring algorithm

Hi Brian, this is also new information for me. I thought the scoring algorithm was the same. Why would they make the effort to create two different algorithms :(

Hi Manukaran,

GMAC doesn't want anyone to be able to reverse-engineer the precise scoring algorithm of the real GMAT from that of the GMATPrep software, so GMAC made sure to design the two algorithms differently.

Hi Brian, on the following official website: https://www.mba.com/india/store/store-c ... -free.aspx

In the detailed description tab, it says: The practice exams use the same scoring algorithm as the official GMAT® exam.

I am now quite confused :?

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Hi Manukaran,

GMAC doesn't want anyone to be able to reverse-engineer the precise scoring algorithm of the real GMAT from that of the GMATPrep software, so GMAC made sure to design the two algorithms differently.

Hi Brian, on the following official website: https://www.mba.com/india/store/store-c ... -free.aspx

In the detailed description tab, it says: The practice exams use the same scoring algorithm as the official GMAT® exam.

I am now quite confused :?

Hi Manukaran,

Allow me to clarify: on the old version of the GMATPrep desktop software, the scoring algorithm was NOT the same as that of the real GMAT, in part because the real GMAT used to have 23 experimental questions, and on the GMATPrep desktop software, every question counted. So at the time I wrote the comment that you quoted above (4/11/18), I was correct. (The new GMATPrep online tests were released on 4/30/18.)

It is also true that GMAC is now claiming that the GMATPrep online tests use the "same scoring algorithm" as the real GMAT. However, unless there are also 12 questions on the GMATPrep online tests that are experimental/pretest/unscored, this is not completely true.

Theoretically, however, there is nothing stopping GMAC from throwing 12 experimentals into the GMATPrep software as well--especially since the software is now online and can be updated at any time. Until we run some controlled, detailed simulations with the new online tests, there is no way to know whether some of the questions count, and some don't. If there truly are 12 unscored questions, then maybe the new GMATPrep software (online version) really DOES now have the same scoring algorithm as the real GMAT.

Or maybe it's just marketing hype. Time will tell...

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I have purchased the EP1 online version also, but I am still unable to see the detailed score report. I have emailed the gmatprep cusotomer care, will update once I get a response.
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I appeared yesterday.
Unfortunately, I got the same score of 690 as I did last time, so I cancelled it.
However this time my quant took a hit while the verbal score improved. Last exam was Q49, V35, IR 7. This time it was Q47, V37, IR 4.

Quant: Seemed trickier. I think I might have solved easy questions wrongly. I need to return to basics I guess as I had practiced mostly hard questions this time in order to get Q50/51. I remember verbally solving few quant questions yesterday, that was suicidal.

Verbal: Overall tough, similar to last time. Majority questions seemed to be SC. 4 RC passages. I think I just got 7-8 CR questions. Do not take my word on that as I was not counting, but CR questions were quite few. The good news is that timing wise, verbal was manageable.

IR: I lost track midway. I think it was not my day, scored a dismal 4. IR also seemed a notch higher than last time.

It feels bad to miss 700 mark by a whisker twice. But I will not give up and hopefully re-appear soon. Good luck to all upcoming test takers.
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In working with my private GMAT students, I've noticed a few important differences between the old desktop GMATPrep software and the new online tests:

1) Keyboard shortcuts (ALT-N, ALT-Y, etc.) don't work on the online tests (though I imagine they will continue to work on the actual exam).
2) When you review your answers on the online tests, the correct answer is already indicated (for maximum learning, it would be better if the GMAC went back to the old "Show Answer" button, so that you could re-try the question first before clicking it). In fact, it would be even better if your original answer were not indicated either, in order to facilitate what I call a "blind re-try" of each incorrectly answered question.

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3) The "ESR" that is included with Exam Pack 1 is not yet as detailed or helpful as is the one included with the GMATPrep software: although it does provide "time taken per question by section and type" and overall scores, it does not provide sub-scores or percentiles for the individual question types in each section (Problem Solving, Data Sufficiency, Reading Comprehension, Sentence Correction, Critical Reasoning, Graphical Interpretation, Multi-Source Reasoning, Table Analysis, Two-Part Analysis), as does the desktop version of GMATPrep. This is quite a glaring omission!

Average timing information by question type is somewhat helpful, but what matters more is your overall performance on each question type, which used to be provided, but this key question-type data is currently missing from the online tests--at the moment all that is provided is an overall score, sub-scores in Quant and Verbal, and timing information.

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4) When viewing overall section performance, the questions are organized horizontally (?) instead of vertically. I have also noticed a bug where the wrong question number shows up in the review screen.

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In working with my private GMAT students, I've noticed a few important differences between the old desktop GMATPrep software and the new online tests:

1) Keystrokes (ALT-N, ALT-Y, etc.) don't work on the online tests.
2) When you review your answers on the online tests, the correct answer is already indicated (for maximum learning, it would be better if the GMAC went back to the old "Show Answer" button, so that you could re-try the question first). In fact, it would be even better if your original answer were not indicated either, in order to facilitate what I call a "blind re-try."
3) The "ESR" that is included with Exam Pack 1 is not as detailed or helpful as is the one included with the GMATPrep software.

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Brian, so I finished all the sections in my CAT 3 on the online version today, however, I did not click Next before the time is up on the AWA (last section) and I clicked next after the time is up. Then the screen is frozen and said "your question is being evaluated"> Is there are way to fix this and get a score?

I was assuming I did nto need to press next and my essay will still be saved and score will still be computed.
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