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GMAT IS CHANGING APRIL 16, 2018 - it will be 30 minutes shorter

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mcelroytutoring - Yes. I did get done a few hours back and scored a 750. Happy to take questions. I will write a more detailed debrief after dinner - maybe in the Share GMAT Experience Forum! Of course, happy to take questions meanwhile.


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1) What was the breakdown of question types in Verbal? Can you confirm 4 RC passages?
2) What was the breakdown of question types in Quant?

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Yes, definitely 4 RC passages. In fact RC seemed to dominate the verbal section decisively. If I am not totally incorrect, I probably had 16 questions in RC, and one passage had 5 questions which really threw me off. It was a heavy passage. SC and CR were spaced out evenly.

For quant my first half was largely PS, but DS increased in my second half of the test. I would say about 45% DS and 55% PS. (probably 17-14)
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Got done with the test a few hours back. Scored a 750 (Q50 V41). It felt really similar to my last test. I am naturally good at SCs and I take more time than I should for RCs, so a few large (really large with contrived questions) threw me off. More details in a few hours.


So overall it felt roughly the same, with just a different concentration of question types on verbal? Would you think this would be advantageous to those who are good with RC and disadvantageous to those who are better at SC? Or do you think it’ll ultimately break even? Did you notice a difference in degree of difficulty for any of the verbal subquestion types? For example, did the CR seem harder than it previously did? Or did the SC seem easier? Etc.

I apologize for the abundance of questions. For whatever reason, the change in the format, when it’s so close to my sitting of the exam, has really captured my imagination.

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So overall it felt roughly the same, with just a different concentration of question types on verbal? Would you think this would be advantageous to those who are good with RC and disadvantageous to those who are better at SC? Or do you think it’ll ultimately break even? Did you notice a difference in degree of difficulty for any of the verbal subquestion types? For example, did the CR seem harder then previously did? Or did the SC seem easier? Etc.

I apologize for the abundance of questions. For whatever reason, the change in the format, when it’s so close to my sitting of the exam, has really captured my imagination.

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Yes, definitely 4 RC passages. In fact RC seemed to dominate the verbal section decisively. If I am not totally incorrect, I probably had 16 questions in RC, and one passage had 5 questions which really threw me off. It was a heavy passage. SC and CR were spaced out evenly.

For quant my first half was largely PS, but DS increased in my second half of the test. I would say about 45% DS and 55% PS. (probably 17-14)

Awesome! Thanks again for the information. It appears to confirm what we have already been told about the upcoming GMATPrep practice exams from the upcoming, updated GMATPrep software (see charts from earlier in this thread)--even though GMAC officially refuses to commit to any fixed number of question types per GMAT, given that the experimental questions might be drawn from any question type.

OK, I'll stop pestering you for test data now! Go eat some dinner, get some rest, and give us all the details in a G-Day debrief whenever you're ready. Seriously though, thanks for your contribution...I know that there are a lot of anxious test-takers with upcoming test dates who are scouring these posts for information about the new exam, and I'm sure that they appreciate it too. :-)

Also, a quick reminder, since some readers seem to be misinterpreting the shorter GMAT as having fewer scored questions: the new GMAT has exactly the same number of scored/counted questions: 30 on Verbal, 28 on Quant, and 9 on IR. The only questions that were removed (5 on Verbal and 6 on Quant) were experimental, unscored questions.

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p.s. If you were indeed served a whopping 16 RC questions out of the 36 total questions on Verbal--almost half the section--then I would guess that you had 4 experimentals on RC, 0 on CR and on 2 SC. That would mean that you had 12 counted questions on RC, 10 counted questions on SC, and 8 counted questions on CR, which has a nice symmetry to it and reflects the relative balance of question types on the new Verbal sections of the upcoming, updated GMATPrep tests.

The GMAC will never admit this, but 12RC / 10 SC / 8 CR seems like a likely split for the counted questions on the Verbal section of the real GMAT. Likewise, there are probably about 15 counted PS and 13 counted DS on Quant, meaning that you were most likely served 2 PS experimentals and 1 DS experimental.
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Thanks a lot GMATCLUB especially Brian and Souvik..
Now the most accepted split is as follows:
RC (4 Passages) = 14Q (13-14 window moves rightward as Souvik mentioned 16 RC!)
SC = 12Q
CR = 10Q (Souvik said even split SC-CR, still lets say CR 10)
Now this is probably the combination that is most time consuming (due to lesser SC and more RC). So our prep must focus on this part. Also GMAT must be trying to woo more non-natives and GRE-mid way preparation dudes to shift towards taking GMAT than GRE. GRE verbal mostly contains of RC (50%+ questions!!). 'Presumably' RC doesn't need too much of preparation compared to SC - a factor that matters a lot to busy executives (especially since Executive Assessment of GMAC has tanked to attract much business). This is a wise move by GMAC from their strategic point of view.
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I took it today as well (for the first time) and I thought quant went fine overall. However, I’ve always struggled more with Verbal so I think the timing with still 4 RC threw me off. I also personally thought SC was harder than usual, but CR wasn’t that bad. I ended up scoring a 650 (Q48, V31), when I usually score V34-36.

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Damn! I was always killing the RC but did poorly on SC, wish they made this happen last year. But one can only suspect GMAT scores to go up, especially with native speakers who struggle more on SC due to our "bad" use of English
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Are they still scoring the same amount of total questions in each respective verbal section? For example if you used to get 17 SC, but say only 11 were scored. Is it now that you’re getting 12 but only 11 are scored? In other words, is this actually going to change the verbal score?

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Are they still scoring the same amount of total questions in each respective verbal section? For example if you used to get 17 SC, but say only 11 were scored. Is it now that you’re getting 12 but only 11 are scored? In other words, is this actually going to change the verbal score?

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That's correct. Only the number of experimental questions is changing and hence, the number of questions you were scored on remains unchanged.
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FYI the GMAT Pill free online GMAT CAT test has been updated to reflect the shorter GMAT exam:

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This is great! Waiting for the debrief. Pressure is high as the dates are nearing!
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I've GMAT on 4th May and this sudden change in format has already taken a toll. It would be of immense help if anyone could debrief their exam experience post the change.
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mcelroytutoring - Yes. I did get done a few hours back and scored a 750. Happy to take questions. I will write a more detailed debrief after dinner - maybe in the Share GMAT Experience Forum! Of course, happy to take questions meanwhile.


souvik101990 Congrats on the 750!
1) What was the breakdown of question types in Verbal? Can you confirm 4 RC passages?
2) What was the breakdown of question types in Quant?

Thanks,
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Yes, definitely 4 RC passages. In fact RC seemed to dominate the verbal section decisively. If I am not totally incorrect, I probably had 16 questions in RC, and one passage had 5 questions which really threw me off. It was a heavy passage. SC and CR were spaced out evenly.

For quant my first half was largely PS, but DS increased in my second half of the test. I would say about 45% DS and 55% PS. (probably 17-14)


Hey Souvik, Loved your debrief "Four years to 760 - my journey". In fact I have bookmarked it and I have re-read it a many times, as it is one of my source of motivation

I want to ask you 5 questions about the new GMAT structure:

1. Was your preparation, for quant and verbal, the same or different for the 18th April exam and the last one where you scored 760.
2. Did you feel differently, less exhausted or more exhausted?
3. What was the order of your exam (Quant-Verbal-IR-AWA or Verbal-Quant-IR-AWA or AWA-IR-Quant-Verbal)?
4. Was there any difference in the order you took your exam or the same as last one where you scored 760?
5. Was there a huge variation in your verbal scores of the GMATPrep Mock Tests and the GMAT?
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So gave the GMAT today, and it didn't turn out to be a good day. I was above decent in quant (Q49 -mostly / 50 - rarely), but during the test my mind stopped working. May be I practiced a little too many hard GMAT Club difficult questions and thus was spending more than 2 min on initial questions and then things derailed quickly. Anyway, I have a fix for that.

The reason I am writing this post is too seek help in Verbal. There were 4 RCs, 13-14 SCs and 9-10 CRs. SC questions were well within the reach and answered confidently (thanks to e-GMAT). I had to skip 1 full RC and 2 CR to complete the test. Blunder, I know! Scored V34. Could anyone please guide me on how I can become a pro in CR? My average time to answer the question is 2:30s (dubious) and I am in c.80%ile (given adequate time). I want to bring the time to under 2 min and at least maintain the same %ile. There is an overwhelming amount of resources, and I have limited time as I work in banking, so would be great to know which is the best source for CR. Willing to subscribe and pay. Specifically, which course teaches the best strategy and has 700 level good questions to practice. Have already done e-GMAT. It is good, but still I couldn't reduce the average time. Also, any good resource to practice RC questions? I have about a month before I intend to give the exam again. Any experts in this section, pls save me. Much appreciated!
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So gave the GMAT today, and it didn't turn out to be a good day. I was above decent in quant (Q49 -mostly / 50 - rarely), but during the test my mind stopped working. May be I practiced a little too many hard GMAT Club difficult questions and thus was spending more than 2 min on initial questions and then things derailed quickly. Anyway, I have a fix for that.

The reason I am writing this post is too seek help in Verbal. There were 4 RCs, 13-14 SCs and 9-10 CRs. SC questions were well within the reach and answered confidently (thanks to e-GMAT). I had to skip 1 full RC and 2 CR to complete the test. Blunder, I know! Scored V34. Could anyone please guide me on how I can become a pro in CR? My average time to answer the question is 2:30s (dubious) and I am in c.80%ile (given adequate time). I want to bring the time to under 2 min and at least maintain the same %ile. There is an overwhelming amount of resources, and I have limited time as I work in banking, so would be great to know which is the best source for CR. Willing to subscribe and pay. Specifically, which course teaches the best strategy and has 700 level good questions to practice. Have already done e-GMAT. It is good, but still I couldn't reduce the average time. Also, any good resource to practice RC questions? I have about a month before I intend to give the exam again. Any experts in this section, pls save me. Much appreciated!
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Now it's time for analyzing Souvik's ESR.. Can you pl share? Any other test takers...
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It appears that we are at a bit of a crossroads in terms of new information regarding the shorter, updated GMAT--at least until the updated GMATPrep software is released on April 27th. The biggest news is that the frequency of question types on Verbal has changed; otherwise the test has just become a bit shorter, with fewer experimentals.

Until a test-taker goes in and meticulously writes down exactly how many questions he/she was served of each type on Verbal and Quant, and memorizes it over the course of the test / shares a detailed debrief with those exact numbers, this is going to become mostly a guessing game.

However, we can be happy that all the basics are quite clear at this point, and the only fact left to clearly establish is the precise balance of question types, particularly on Verbal, which according to GMAC does in fact vary from test to test depending on the need for developing new experimental questions in each type, and thus may never be precisely established anyway.

Besides, the much more relevant issue is the number of counted questions per test. My best guess is 12 RC (4 passages), 10 SC, 8 CR, 15 PS and 13 DS.

Good luck on the new test, everyone!

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It appears that we are at a bit of a crossroads in terms of new information regarding the shorter, updated GMAT. The biggest news is that the frequency of question types on Verbal has changed--otherwise the test has just become a bit shorter, with fewer experimentals.

Until a test-taker goes in and meticulously writes down exactly how many questions he/she were served of each type on Verbal and Quant, and memorizes it over the course of the test / shares a detailed debrief with those exact numbers, this is going to become mostly a guessing game.

However, we can be happy that all the basics are quite clear at this point, and the only fact left to precisely establish is the precise balance of question types, particularly on Verbal, which according to GMAC does in fact vary from test to test depending on the need for developing new experimental questions in each type, and thus may never be precisely established anyway.

Besides, the much more relevant issue is the number of counted questions per test. My best guess is 12 RC (4 passages), 10 SC, 8 CR, 15 PS and 13 CR.

Good luck on the new test, everyone!

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Do you think the number of counted questions has changed from the previous test? For example do you think the GMAC used to count 12 SC versus 10 SC? Or do you think that is static

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