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Hi JarvisR, you mention:

What follows but shall be || to Z.

As I mentioned in my above post, what follows but is: which is..., and so, there has to be a corresponding which structure on the Left hand side of but.

Currently, there is no "which" structure on the Left hand side of but. In other words, what follows but is actually not parallel to anything; in fact, that is the problem with B.

So, it would not be appropriate to mention that what follows but is parallel to Z.
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Thanks Ashish. Actually even i m mentioned the same.
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X conceived of Y as Z but <..>
What follows but shall be || to Z.

But in B, "which is" is not || to "as a substitute for the telephone " .

Can u also share ur views on query#2:
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Also, some of the posts point that "which" links to telephone. To me its ambiguous, can be telephone/radio.
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Can u also share ur views on query#2:
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Also, some of the posts point that "which" links to telephone. To me its ambiguous, can be telephone/radio.

Hi JarvisR, I think we are doing a bit of circulation argumentation here. What I have been saying is that which is not really parallel to anything. So, it's a moot point discussing what "which" is referring to.

In other words, had there been a which structure on the LHS of but, then whatever the which on the LHS was referring to, which on the RHS would refer to the same entity. Since we don't have a which on the LHS, we can't figure out what "which" on the RHS is referring to.
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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

Given sentence is completely wrong.
Conception of radio is compared to a substitute for telephone.
a tool for private conservation must define or modify radio not telephone.
Conceived of X as Y is the correct idiom.


(A) Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
Option A is wrong for above reasons.

(B) Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
modifier error repeats here.
but which is a wrong usage to introduce the contradictory meaning.


(C) Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
This resolves all the problems.
it refers to radio correctly.


(D) Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
conceived of X to be Y is incorrect idiom used here.
a substitute for the telephone must modify radio but is misplaced here.
which is incorrectly referring to telephone instead of radio
contrast in meaning is missing here and resulted in awkward sentence.


(E) Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,
incorrect idiom and modifier errors as in A and D repeat here.
other than what it is..........incorrect and wordier way to show contrast in meaning.
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I am also looking for the explanation of the question asked here - Experts could anyone please help.


" It" in option A refers to the subject "Marconi’s conception" whereas in option C "It" refers to "radio" . Please explain how it is referring to radio in place of the subject of the first independent clause.
A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become[/quote][/quote]
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I am also looking for the explanation of the question asked here - Experts could anyone please help.


" It" in option A refers to the subject "Marconi’s conception" whereas in option C "It" refers to "radio" . Please explain how it is referring to radio in place of the subject of the first independent clause.
A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become


Take option C it the following way:

The radio could substitute for the telephone; instead it has become......

Instead of using "the radio", the sentence uses another pronoun "that" that in turn refers to the "radio".

I would suggest that keep pronoun ambiguity as the last resort to eliminate an answer. GMAT has been flexible on this aspect, (especially when the pronoun is the subject of a clause and refers to the subject of another clause in the sentence.... whatsoever this is not exactly such an usage, but could be reformulated in the same line.)
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The correct answer is C
In the construction of this sentence, meaning should take the highest priority.
The sentence is trying to the convey - Marconi wanted the radio to become a preferred device for private conversation by replacing telephones but instead radio has become a device for public audience- the opposite of what Marconi wanted it to be.


A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
Meaning unclear. Hard to decipher whether it Radio or telephone, which is a tool for private conversation.

B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
Meaning unclear. Hard to decipher whether it Radio or telephone, which is a tool for private conversation.

C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
Correct Meaning. No ambiguity. The "IT" after the semicolon clearly refers to the radio. so there is no ambiguity in pointing out which device has become tool for public audience.

D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
Meaning Wrong:- This sentence blatantly says that Telephone has become a too for public audience.

E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, [b]other than what it is[/b],
Wrong meaning, unnecessary wordy, All sorts of grammatical problems in this one



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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

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Hi,
I'm not an expert,but let me try.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
-- modifier error : "a tool for private conversation" is supposed to refer to radio

B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
-- same as option A

C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
-- This is our guy.Meaning is clear."it" refers to radio.

D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
-- not sure but i think it's an idiom usage;conceive of something as..;it is the radio,not telephone,that has become a device for public audience.

E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is
-- not sure but i think it's an idiom usage;conceive of something as..;modifier error : "a tool for private conversation" is supposed to refer to radio
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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

Let's look at this from the modification angle. Marconi conceived radio as a gadget for private talk even when then telephone was existent but was not such a private tool. Hence, the tool for private conversation should always co - exist or stay next to next with radio so that the modification is in order. As per that tenet, only C and D qualify as the genuine contenders
Between C and D, D as a wrong idiom of 'conceived' to be and a wrong antecedence for the pronoun 'which', referring to the telephone.
In C there is no logical dilemma about the antecedence of 'it' since it is the radio that has bee become a mass media tool

Hence C all the way.

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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.
1) Marconi’s conception (subject)………………..was (verb)
2) Phrase “a tool for private conversation” refers to telephone but it actually refers to radio
Marconi conceived of radio as a tool for private conversation but instead it is a tool for communicating with a large audience.
3) It is illogical to say that Marconi’s conception was as a tool……………


A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
Incorrect

B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
Again incorrect placement of the phrase ‘ a tool……….’

C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
‘that’ when used as a subject of the dependent clause refers to the closes noun but in this (I think) the usage is fine because ‘for private conversation’ cannot be logically placed anywhere else.
So that refers to tool. GMATNinja is this fine according to you?
Use of present perfect ‘has become’ is also fine because it’s still true. Radio is still a tool for private conversation.

Correct choice.

D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
Conceived to be is incorrect.
Conceive of someone or something as ………..is correct.

E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,
Incorrect for the reasons stated above.
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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.
1) Marconi’s conception (subject)………………..was (verb)
2) Phrase “a tool for private conversation” refers to telephone but it actually refers to radio
Marconi conceived of radio as a tool for private conversation but instead it is a tool for communicating with a large audience.
3) It is illogical to say that Marconi’s conception was as a tool……………


A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
Incorrect

B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
Again incorrect placement of the phrase ‘ a tool……….’

C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
‘that’ when used as a subject of the dependent clause refers to the closes noun but in this (I think) the usage is fine because ‘for private conversation’ cannot be logically placed anywhere else.
So that refers to tool. GMATNinja is this fine according to you?
Use of present perfect ‘has become’ is also fine because it’s still true. Radio is still a tool for private conversation.

Correct choice.

D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
Conceived to be is incorrect.
Conceive of someone or something as ………..is correct.

E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,
Incorrect for the reasons stated above.

Nice explanation, Shiv2016! :thumbup:

You're right about the usage of "that" as a noun modifier. The prepositional phrase "for private conversations" also modifies "tool", and it's okay for a noun modifier to “reach behind” a prepositional phrase (see "Usage #4" in this Topic of the Week for more on this).
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"it" in the second clause can refer to "tool" or "telephone" so it can cause ambiguity
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Agree with the correct answer choice above. However, can someone explain me the use of ; (Semi-Colon) I am getting this wrong every time? I know, we need to use a semi-colon when talking about 2 independent clauses. In the correct sentence here -

C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become -- > SV Pair are highlighted as both are independent clause.

What don't I understand is how the second clause can stand alone? What I know from my knowledge that the independent clause can stand alone. Here --> instead, it has become How do we know what are we talking about? to understand the meaning of 'it' we need to backlog the other clause. Right?

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Agree with the correct answer choice above. However, can someone explain me the use of ; (Semi-Colon) I am getting this wrong every time? I know, we need to use a semi-colon when talking about 2 independent clauses.

Hi amitpandey25, you are absolutely correct. However, just for sake of clarity, we need to make a bit of a distinction here:

Two independent clauses can definitely be separated by a semicolon; however, the the presence of a semicolon does not mandate that two independent clauses must be present. In other words, if semicolon adds clarity to parallel parts of a sentence, then semicolon can be used between phrases as well.

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In the correct sentence here -

C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become -- > SV Pair are highlighted as both are independent clause.

What don't I understand is how the second clause can stand alone? What I know from my knowledge that the independent clause can stand alone. Here --> instead, it has become How do we know what are we talking about? to understand the meaning of 'it' we need to backlog the other clause. Right?

I know I am missing something, help me with this.

Words such as instead, moreover, likewise, and therefore are not subordinating conjunctions. So, basically these words can start an independent clause.

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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.


(A) Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is

(B) Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is

(C) Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become

(D) Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become

(E) Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

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Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.


(A) Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is

(B) Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is

(C) Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become

(D) Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become

(E) Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,


Hi Expert,
In C, ''it'' has been used for ''Radio''. Here, ''radio'' is the object of preposition ''of''. As far I know, object of the preposition can't be subject anymore in the sentence. If the red part makes sense, why ''it'' has been used as antecedent of ''radio''?
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In C, ''it'' has been used for ''Radio''. Here, ''radio'' is the object of preposition ''of''. As far I know, object of the preposition can't be subject anymore in the sentence. If the red part makes sense, why ''it'' has been used as antecedent of ''radio''?
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Hi AsadAbu, you might be mixing two things here.

Object of the preposition can't be subject in a given clause. That clause in this sentence is:

Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone

However, we cannot apply this rule across clauses.

In option C, instead, it has become... marks the start of a new Independent clause. So, we cannot apply the prepositional phrase rule in this clause (simply because we don't have the prepositional phrase in this clause; the prepositional phrase was in the previous clause).

The question you perhaps want to ask is:

Can a pronoun (it in this case) refer to an object of a prepositional phrase? The answer is yes. There are numerous such instances in various official examples.
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Hi Expert,
In C, ''it'' has been used for ''Radio''. Here, ''radio'' is the object of preposition ''of''. As far I know, object of the preposition can't be subject anymore in the sentence. If the red part makes sense, why ''it'' has been used as antecedent of ''radio''?
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Hi AsadAbu, you might be mixing two things here.

Object of the preposition can't be subject in a given clause. That clause in this sentence is:

Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone

However, we cannot apply this rule across clauses.

In option C, instead, it has become... marks the start of a new Independent clause. So, we cannot apply the prepositional phrase rule in this clause (simply because we don't have the prepositional phrase in this clause; the prepositional phrase was in the previous clause).

The question you perhaps want to ask is:

Can a pronoun (it in this case) refer to an object of a prepositional phrase? The answer is yes. There are numerous such instances in various official examples.

Hi EducationAisle, I'm very happy with your answer. Still, i'm little bit confused for the following official question!
HERE IS THE OFFICIAL QUESTION. OFFICIAL GUIDE 13TH EDITION. QUESTION# 7.

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The intricate structure of the compound insect eye, having hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, help explain why scientists have assumed that it evolved independently of the vertebrate eye.

(A) having hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, help explain why scientists have assumed that it

(B) having hundreds of miniature eyes that are called ommatidia, helps explain why scientists have assumed that they

(C) with its hundreds of miniature eyes that are called ommatidia, helps explain scientists' assuming that they

(D) with its hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, help explain scientists' assuming that it

(E) with its hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, helps explain why scientists have assumed that it


In this question, the official answer is E.

Official Answer in a correct format:
The intricate structure of the compound insect eye, with its hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, helps explain why scientists have assumed that it evolved independently of the vertebrate eye.

In this sentence, the color part ''it'' indicates ''the compound insect eye'' (object of the preposition). So, do you think that ''this sentence consists of at least 2 clause?''

Also, how can someone know/convinced (apart from meaning) that ''it'' does not indicate ''the intricate structure''?
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Hi! As I mentioned, the doubts that you have, have nothing to with the following rule:

Object of the preposition can't be subject in a given clause.

The doubts that you have (in your last post as well as in this one), are related to the following question:

Can a pronoun ("it" in this case) refer to an object of a prepositional phrase?

As I mentioned, the answer is yes.

The last question that you posted (Marconi..) and the latest question that you have posted (the intricate structure...), both testify this, since in both cases, the pronoun it in both sentences, is referring to the noun in the prepositional phrase.

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Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.


(A) Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is

(B) Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is

(C) Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become

(D) Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become

(E) Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

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In C, ''it'' has been used for ''Radio''. Here, ''radio'' is the object of preposition ''of''. As far I know, object of the preposition can't be subject anymore in the sentence. If the red part makes sense, why ''it'' has been used as antecedent of ''radio''?
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Hi AsadAbu, you might be mixing two things here.

Object of the preposition can't be subject in a given clause. That clause in this sentence is:

Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone

However, we cannot apply this rule across clauses.

In option C, instead, it has become... marks the start of a new Independent clause. So, we cannot apply the prepositional phrase rule in this clause (simply because we don't have the prepositional phrase in this clause; the prepositional phrase was in the previous clause).

The question you perhaps want to ask is:

Can a pronoun (it in this case) refer to an object of a prepositional phrase? The answer is yes. There are numerous such instances in various official examples.

Thanks for your feedback EducationAisle.
There're 3 object of a prepositional phrase in the correct choice in the first clause (e.g., private conversation, the telephone, the radio). so, my question is that how do someone know that the it doesn't refer to the other 2 object of a prepositional phrase namely private conversation and the radio
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